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Post by sanders on Aug 11, 2024 21:49:15 GMT
Corbyn's seat and St Ives are interesting outliers on that map. Corbyn has 40 years of service. More votes than Sir Keir Starmer. Similar vote share for each though. Only 18,000 votes for Starmer lol. He still won easily last month. Time to unite the anti-Starmer vote. I look forward to that one.
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Post by ccoleman on Aug 15, 2024 20:53:14 GMT
If that map is accurate, it's noticeable that the meagre total of seats to which Labour is reduced are not in the party's traditional heartlands, evidently because turnout in those areas was so low. Putney Tooting Finchley & Golders Green Leeds North West Sheffield Hallam Macclesfield Rushcliffe Stroud Edinburgh South Hove Beckenham & Penge Lewisham West & East Dulwich Wirral West Almost entirely affluent, highly educated, Remain-voting seats in or near major cities. Labour's new heartland?
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Post by john07 on Aug 15, 2024 21:44:44 GMT
If that map is accurate, it's noticeable that the meagre total of seats to which Labour is reduced are not in the party's traditional heartlands, evidently because turnout in those areas was so low. Putney Tooting Finchley & Golders Green Leeds North West Sheffield Hallam Macclesfield Rushcliffe Stroud Edinburgh South Hove Beckenham & Penge Lewisham West & East Dulwich Wirral West Almost entirely affluent, highly educated, Remain-voting seats in or near major cities. Labour's new heartland? I have tried to make the same point for the last three years that the process of inversion of traditional regional voting patterns is happening. This follows the trends from the USA over the last 40 years
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 15, 2024 21:45:57 GMT
It reflects in large part the constituencies in which Labour was working heavily during the election, and where Labour campaigners were talking to electors. Labour took a deliberate decision to take its heartland seats for granted, and actively prevented local parties from talking to more than a token number of voters. Party workers doing voter ID is one of the biggest drivers of increased turnout.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 1:05:21 GMT
It reflects in large part the constituencies in which Labour was working heavily during the election, and where Labour campaigners were talking to electors. Labour took a deliberate decision to take its heartland seats for granted, and actively prevented local parties from talking to more than a token number of voters. Party workers doing voter ID is one of the biggest drivers of increased turnout. Did that include Leicester South then? What about Birmingham, Perry Barr also? What about Dewsbury & Batley's seat? Blackburn a 'heartland' seat ignored then? I'm not being petty - genuine questions. The bottom fell out a bit. Did you expect losses to independents? And on that scale as well? Congrats on Labour's London results btw. I know how hard many worked. Didn't expect to call Chelsea correctly. Coleman is a fantastic local candidate.
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Post by ColinJ on Sept 1, 2024 7:50:02 GMT
Apologies if this is not the most appropriate thread to post this, but I must bring to the attention of the forum the following YouTube video:
In it, the excellent "Map Men", aka Jay Forman and Mark Cooper-Jones, explore the issue of Gerrymandering in the US in a way that only they can.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 5, 2024 17:25:47 GMT
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Post by swanarcadian on Sept 5, 2024 17:44:23 GMT
We’ve been talking about this sort of thing on the D’Hondt referendum thread, although with more equal sized constituencies than this.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 5, 2024 19:18:22 GMT
We’ve been talking about this sort of thing on the D’Hondt referendum thread, although with more equal sized constituencies than this. I don't think I've got access to that thread but thanks
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Post by swanarcadian on Sept 5, 2024 20:12:45 GMT
We’ve been talking about this sort of thing on the D’Hondt referendum thread, although with more equal sized constituencies than this. I don't think I've got access to that thread but thanks It’s in General Politics rather than General Psephology because it was a hot topic at the time of the thread being created (just after the last European Parliament elections here). I don’t mind at all if the mods were to move it.
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Post by Foggy on Sept 5, 2024 22:39:00 GMT
"Nice" number of seats for the Lib Dems there. Norfolk was probably closest to producing a proportional result two months ago, even under FPTP.
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Post by john07 on Sept 5, 2024 22:54:02 GMT
I don't think I've got access to that thread but thanks It’s in General Politics rather than General Psephology because it was a hot topic at the time of the thread being created (just after the last European Parliament elections here). I don’t mind at all if the mods were to move it. Can't they just give doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ access to the thread in question?
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Post by nyx on Sept 6, 2024 1:23:26 GMT
"Nice" number of seats for the Lib Dems there. Norfolk was probably closest to producing a proportional result two months ago, even under FPTP. No Reform seats in Norfolk though. Northern Ireland may have been closer to proportional.
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Post by Foggy on Sept 6, 2024 2:11:24 GMT
"Nice" number of seats for the Lib Dems there. Norfolk was probably closest to producing a proportional result two months ago, even under FPTP. No Reform seats in Norfolk though. Has anyone told Rupert Lowe?
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Post by nyx on Sept 6, 2024 2:45:03 GMT
No Reform seats in Norfolk though. Has anyone told Rupert Lowe? Oops, I forgot Norfolk extended as far east as that for a second. I just thought "but Toby McKenzie lost to Terry Jermy" and didn't get any further
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Post by sanders on Sept 6, 2024 2:50:58 GMT
One day we'll get fair votes.
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Post by johnloony on Sept 6, 2024 15:37:18 GMT
One day we'll get fair votes. We've already got fair votes. In 2024, it was even more fair than before, because this time the constituencies were more equal in electorate than in previous general elections.
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Post by sanders on Sept 6, 2024 15:38:35 GMT
One day we'll get fair votes. We've already got fair votes. In 2024, it was even more fair than before, because this time the constituencies were more equal in electorate than in previous general elections. It depends hw you define 'fair'. Some would say FPTP isn't fair.
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Post by ilerda on Sept 6, 2024 16:58:50 GMT
It also depends on what you consider to be the primary purpose of an election - to choose a Parliament or select a government.
*ducks and runs*
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 6, 2024 23:27:40 GMT
It’s in General Politics rather than General Psephology because it was a hot topic at the time of the thread being created (just after the last European Parliament elections here). I don’t mind at all if the mods were to move it. Can't they just give doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ access to the thread in question? Probably not. Giving somebody access to a particular board is a fairly standard feature of forum software which doesn't take a huge amount of processing, and is obviously built into proboards (see the party rooms). Doing it for a particular thread would be an entirely different set of code for something that is extremely unlikely to ever be used. And if it does exist is likely to be a power that is only available to the forum admin (who has been away from the forum due to illness for quite some time).
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