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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 18, 2016 12:07:24 GMT
Does anyone know which defeated MP holds the record for: * The longest overall service until their defeat? * The longest service in an individual constituency (give or take boundary reviews) until defeated? I just turned up Sir John Pakington, a regular Cabinet Minister under Derby, defeated at Droitwich in 1874 after thirty-seven years there. Any advances? |
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iain
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Post by iain on Jul 18, 2016 12:24:08 GMT
In modern times it might be Simon Hughes? 32 years
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 18, 2016 12:32:26 GMT
In recent times, Tom Clarke served 32 years 10 months before being defeated in 2015.
Tom Clarke Jun 1982-2015
Simon Hughes Feb 1983-2015
Charles Kennedy Jun 1983-2015
Peter Robinson 1979-2010
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Post by john07 on Jul 18, 2016 12:43:05 GMT
Malcolm Macmillan did 35 years in Western Isles for Labour from 1935 till 1970 when defeated by Donald Stewart of the SNP.
He apparently contacted Transport House when he was a 22 year old student at Aberdeen University to enquire if he could help in the 1935 campaign in his home constituency. He was told that there was no candidate in the Western Isles but if he could get himself nominated, the Party would endorse him.
In February 1974 he stood as a United Labour Party candidate and collected 6.8% of the vote.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 18, 2016 13:01:19 GMT
Less than 37 years though not by much and a well known name so worth mentioning; Leo Amery (Birmingham South 1911-18, Sparkbrook 1918-45).
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 18, 2016 13:03:42 GMT
Oh, here's one: Arthur Lewis (West Ham Upton 1945-50, West Ham North 1950-74, Newham North West 1974-83). Deselected in 1983 and stood as an independent (and lost, obviously). 38 years (less a month).
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 18, 2016 13:15:16 GMT
Two from overseas for comparison purposes: Jack Brooks (D-TX) defeated after 42 years in 1994, Earle Page (Country Party, NSW) defeated after 42 years (less a couple of days) in 1961 although he was literally in a coma at the time and never found out that he'd lost.
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 18, 2016 18:03:04 GMT
Oh, here's one: Arthur Lewis (West Ham Upton 1945-50, West Ham North 1950-74, Newham North West 1974-83). Deselected in 1983 and stood as an independent (and lost, obviously). 38 years (less a month). Embarrassingly I live in his constituency on all boundaries (I think - I've seen different accounts of where the Stratford/Upton boundary ran). I'd forgotten he ran as an indy. There was quite a sequence of non-re-selections - Lewis got the West Ham North seat over Henry Nicholls, the Stratford MP (it was a classic case of fusing two seats and the two MPs went head to head). Nicholls in turn had replaced Thomas Groves in 1945 when the latter was deselected and stood as an independent. |
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Post by politicalmatrix on Jul 18, 2016 18:07:48 GMT
In the unlikely event he doesn't stand down at the next election, David Winnick may well lose his seat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 19:09:10 GMT
What about the shortest serving MP to be defeated? Ossie O'Brien of Darlington in 1983?
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Post by Jack on Jul 18, 2016 19:14:13 GMT
In the unlikely event he doesn't stand down at the next election, David Winnick may well lose his seat. I live in his constituency. So, here's hoping! |
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Post by Adrian on Jul 18, 2016 20:56:26 GMT
Oh, here's one: Arthur Lewis (West Ham Upton 1945-50, West Ham North 1950-74, Newham North West 1974-83). Deselected in 1983 and stood as an independent (and lost, obviously). 38 years (less a month). Embarrassingly I live in his constituency on all boundaries (I think - I've since different accounts of where the Stratford/Upton boundary ran). I'd forgotten he ran as an indy. Looks like the boundary went from Three Mills along the 2 railway lines to Bakers-Abbey-Church-Vicarage-Water and then along the railway to Manor Park. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Jul 18, 2016 21:23:16 GMT
What about the shortest serving MP to be defeated? Ossie O'Brien of Darlington in 1983? Henry Compton won the New Forest by-election on 6th Dec 1905 with a majority of 199, the day after Arthur Balfour resigned as Prime Minister. A general election was held in January 1906 when he lost the seat to the Liberals by 48 votes. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jul 18, 2016 22:03:05 GMT
Embarrassingly I live in his constituency on all boundaries (I think - I've since different accounts of where the Stratford/Upton boundary ran). I'd forgotten he ran as an indy. Looks like the boundary went from Three Mills along the 2 railway lines to Bakers-Abbey-Church-Vicarage-Water and then along the railway to Manor Park. Thanks - the map on Wikipedia suggests similar but the E7 Then and Now blog has implied all of Forest Gate was in the Stratford division. However the pre 2002 Forest Gate ward was entirely north of the railway line and maybe the same arrangement applied on West Ham BC? |
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Jul 18, 2016 22:55:08 GMT
Longest Serving before a defeat, I know that on Election Night 1997 they mentioned Marcus Fox in Shipley (27 years) as to the shortest that would have to be seats that were gained at both February and October 1974 general elections surely
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 18, 2016 23:07:43 GMT
Longest Serving before a defeat, I know that on Election Night 1997 they mentioned Marcus Fox in Shipley (27 years) as to the shortest that would have to be seats that were gained at both February and October 1974 general elections surely Of the 1997 casualties, Peter Fry beat the 1970 intake by a year because he won a by-election in Wellingborough in 1969. |
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Post by mondialito on Jul 19, 2016 9:15:26 GMT
Longest Serving before a defeat, I know that on Election Night 1997 they mentioned Marcus Fox in Shipley (27 years) as to the shortest that would have to be seats that were gained at both February and October 1974 general elections surely Of the 1997 casualties, Peter Fry beat the 1970 intake by a year because he won a by-election in Wellingborough in 1969. ...and Sir Dudley Smith was elected to Warwick and Leamington the year before that before losing in '97. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jul 19, 2016 10:39:25 GMT
And he clocks up 35-36 years overall having been MP for Brentford/Chiswick in 1959-66.
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Post by Richard Allen on Jul 19, 2016 11:31:29 GMT
Two from overseas for comparison purposes: Jack Brooks (D-TX) defeated after 42 years in 1994, Earle Page (Country Party, NSW) defeated after 42 years (less a couple of days) in 1961 although he was literally in a coma at the time and never found out that he'd lost. Also Rep Emmanuel Celler (D-NY) who served two months shy of 50 years in the House of Representatives. He lost the Democratic primary in 1972 and while he didn't campaign he was on the general election ballot as the Liberal Party candidate. |
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Post by baloo on Jul 19, 2016 11:44:03 GMT
What about the shortest serving MP to be defeated? Ossie O'Brien of Darlington in 1983? Henry Compton won the New Forest by-election on 6th Dec 1905 with a majority of 199, the day after Arthur Balfour resigned as Prime Minister. A general election was held in January 1906 when he lost the seat to the Liberals by 48 votes. If that's largely from memory you should be awarded some kind of crown as a prize. Or maybe a staff. |
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