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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 27, 2016 9:09:27 GMT
There's no indication in any of the recent Boundary Commission reviews that anyone objected to the name of St Ives CC.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Aug 27, 2016 9:18:27 GMT
But why not just Penzance CC or Penwith CC
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 27, 2016 10:00:18 GMT
But why not just Penzance CC or Penwith CC Each successive review is a review - the Boundary Commissions look to see what needs to be changed, and change it. So if the boundaries aren't changed, and no-one asks for a new name, they aren't going to recommend a name change. Remember that there was a Suffolk constituency called 'Eye' until 1983. Eye is a very small town of no great importance, nothing like the largest town in the constituency, and nor was it in the geographical centre of it. The name had been applied because of the 1885 review rule that county divisions had to take the name of abolished boroughs, and survived because there wasn't an obvious alternative other than a dull compass point name or picking on another town that equally didn't encompass the whole area.
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 27, 2016 10:24:01 GMT
And St Ives by its nature is never going to be radically redrawn, so I suspect you are stuck with the name for the forseeable future.
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Post by neilm on Aug 27, 2016 18:53:53 GMT
But why not just Penzance CC or Penwith CC We tend not to name after geographical features. Penwith is a peninsular so wouldn't really be considered. That and what everyone else has said. Having a seat called Lizard would be amusing, though.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 27, 2016 18:57:10 GMT
The PBCE trolling David Icke?
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Post by neilm on Aug 27, 2016 18:59:56 GMT
I might have a go at creating a 'Deadman and Lizard' seat in Cornwall.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 17, 2017 18:24:29 GMT
As far as I'm concerned the entirety of 'Inverclyde' never stopped being part of Renfrewshire (and indeed it is still covered by the lieutenancy area). I do agree that the council wards could have better names, though. A couple of the suggestions above are a bit clunky, but that's a consequence of STV I suppose.
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Post by YL on Mar 17, 2017 18:39:37 GMT
And St Ives by its nature is never going to be radically redrawn, so I suspect you are stuck with the name for the forseeable future. There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly".
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Post by Foggy on Mar 17, 2017 18:41:43 GMT
And St Ives by its nature is never going to be radically redrawn, so I suspect you are stuck with the name for the forseeable future. There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly". In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 17, 2017 18:48:50 GMT
And St Ives by its nature is never going to be radically redrawn, so I suspect you are stuck with the name for the forseeable future. There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly". Silly name.
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Post by iain on Mar 17, 2017 18:54:12 GMT
There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly". In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. I'm pretty certain they don't.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 17, 2017 19:04:35 GMT
In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. I'm pretty certain they don't. Even if we accept that this is not the case, I also made the more pertinent point that it is far from the largest settlement in the constituency.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 19:37:46 GMT
There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly". In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. "South West Cornwall and the Scillies"?
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Post by Foggy on Mar 17, 2017 20:31:30 GMT
In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. "South West Cornwall and the Scillies"? Is there a "North West Cornwall"? Is that even possible, given the shape of the peninsula? I am totally against using compass directions for that kind of constituency anyway. I still don't have a uniform position when it comes to naming urban seats (it depends on the city, basically), but there's always a better option for rural constituencies than [county/LA name] + N/S/E/W/C/'Mid'.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 17, 2017 20:39:54 GMT
There does now appear to be a move to rename it; the Tories' SW submission proposes calling it "West Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly". St Ives Town Council want to keep their town's name in the constituency name, but have suggested "St Ives, West Cornwall and Isles of Scilly". In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. Absolute copper-bottomed rubbish. IMO far, far more people are acquainted with St. Ives Cornwall because it is an ancient borough, and a long-standing constituency, and a well-known sea-side resort, and the home of a Tate Gallery, and the home of a School of British Art, and a noted Group of British Artists, and was home to one of our most famous ceramicists, most famous sculptor and most famous English Primative Artist. Few people are aware there is another St. Ives, or where it is, and it is famous for nothing at all.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 17, 2017 20:49:52 GMT
In Bristol I pointed out that most people think of the town in Huntingdonshire when they hear the name St Ives. I have suggested to call the West Cornwall seat 'Penzance and the Scillies'. Absolute copper-bottomed rubbish. IMO far, far more people are acquainted with St. Ives Cornwall because it is an ancient borough, and a long-standing constituency, and a well-known sea-side resort, and the home of a Tate Gallery, and the home of a School of British Art, and a noted Group of British Artists, and was home to one of our most famous ceramicists, most famous sculptor and most famous English Primative Artist. What's one of those when it's at home? The type of art you describe here is a load of bollocks and would not add weight to your argument even if it were of some merit. Few people are "more acquainted" with a place due to its status as an "ancient borough" these days. As you say, it's your opinion, so I don't see how you can dismiss my more reasoned and up-to-date viewpoint as 'rubbish'. Helston and Penzance are both larger than St Ives and more deserving of being mentioned in the constituency name, especially because the current name is far from unambiguous. If you're going to get sentimental about historic seat names, there are better places to defend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 20:57:58 GMT
Foggy, from your recent posts it's like you and I are slightly in agreement before bouncing off again like magnets.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 17, 2017 21:15:42 GMT
Absolute copper-bottomed rubbish. IMO far, far more people are acquainted with St. Ives Cornwall because it is an ancient borough, and a long-standing constituency, and a well-known sea-side resort, and the home of a Tate Gallery, and the home of a School of British Art, and a noted Group of British Artists, and was home to one of our most famous ceramicists, most famous sculptor and most famous English Primative Artist. What's one of those when it's at home? The type of art you describe here is a load of bollocks and would not add weight to your argument even if it were of some merit. Few people are "more acquainted" with a place due to its status as an "ancient borough" these days. As you say, it's your opinion, so I don't see how you can dismiss my more reasoned and up-to-date viewpoint as 'rubbish'. Helston and Penzance are both larger than St Ives and more deserving of being mentioned in the constituency name, especially because the current name is far from unambiguous. If you're going to get sentimental about historic seat names, there are better places to defend. So, I made a typo (unusual for me) and the name is Alfred Wallis.....A quite superb Cornish Fisherman/Artist. Your opinion 'more reasoned'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You did not advance a single reason for your booliak pretension. Name a single virtue of your St. Ives. I know both places well by the by.
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 17, 2017 21:17:23 GMT
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