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Post by john07 on Apr 3, 2016 1:09:17 GMT
Yes I agree that firing him would have gone against Trump's image so that isn't how you do it. Lewandowski should have maintained his innocence but "stepped down" for the good of the campaign. It is a pretty standard speech "this campaign is too important" etc, etc. It then allows Trump to praise Lewandowski while still looking like he takes such accusations seriously. What you are failing to grasp is that for Trump to win he has to appeal to a wider audience, the voters he has appealed to so far have taken him a long way but might well be insufficient to win him the nominations and will certainly be insufficient to win him the general. Well lets see what the polling evidence shows. The only polling evidence so far is from the Reuters tracker poll which shows a climb in his polling numbers starting from 29 March (following on from a drop in his numbers after the Heidi Cruz tweet). We'll have to see what other polls show but I suspect that the affair will indeed give a boost to his numbers in the Republican primary electorate. Well that's not what the current polling suggests: www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-s-poll-numbers-collapse-general-election-looms-n548731 |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 12:16:06 GMT
ND is highly over represented with 28 delegates vs. 42 in much larger Wisconsin, so a nice little coup if Trump can pull it off. I wouldn't read too much into that. Cramer, only in his second term in congress, is not an overly influential figure in North Dakota GOP circles and I doubt he will have held much sway in this process. If it had been Sen Hoevon or Gov Dalrymple it may well have been significant. Cruz gave a speech at the state convention yesterday and according to several accounts he appeared well supported on the floor. I suspect that both sides will claim that they are happy with the delegates that have been selected and that with them all being unledged we won't know with any certainty who is being honest. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 13:33:14 GMT
So apparently Trump is going to eliminate the US national debt (that is $19 trillion) in the space of 8 years, and he is going to do it simply be renegotiating trade deals.
My question for @pjones is this. Is trump a complete and utter retard or does he just think that his supporters are complete and utter retards?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 14:55:05 GMT
ND is highly over represented with 28 delegates vs. 42 in much larger Wisconsin, so a nice little coup if Trump can pull it off. I wouldn't read too much into that. Cramer, only in his second term in congress, is not an overly influential figure in North Dakota GOP circles and I doubt he will have held much sway in this process. If it had been Sen Hoevon or Gov Dalrymple it may well have been significant. Cruz gave a speech at the state convention yesterday and according to several accounts he appeared well supported on the floor. I suspect that both sides will claim that they are happy with the delegates that have been selected and that with them all being unledged we won't know with any certainty who is being honest. Cruz's people wouldn't be passing around cards to vote for people, half of whom are not on the slate, if they felt confident. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 15:54:33 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into that. Cramer, only in his second term in congress, is not an overly influential figure in North Dakota GOP circles and I doubt he will have held much sway in this process. If it had been Sen Hoevon or Gov Dalrymple it may well have been significant. Cruz gave a speech at the state convention yesterday and according to several accounts he appeared well supported on the floor. I suspect that both sides will claim that they are happy with the delegates that have been selected and that with them all being unledged we won't know with any certainty who is being honest. Cruz's people wouldn't be passing around cards to vote for people, half of whom are not on the slate, if they felt confident. The fact that Cruz's team are campaigning for the delegates that they wish to see elected is a sign that they are taking the convention seriously. It is neither a sign that they are confident or lacking in confidence. They made similar endorsements in Colorado yesterday. In any event I did not expect that the committee approved slate of 25 would be packed with Cruz supporters, it will most likely contain a fair few establishment types that would not be overly supportive of Cruz or Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 16:11:00 GMT
Cruz's people wouldn't be passing around cards to vote for people, half of whom are not on the slate, if they felt confident. The fact that Cruz's team are campaigning for the delegates that they wish to see elected is a sign that they are taking the convention seriously. It is neither a sign that they are confident or lacking in confidence. They made similar endorsements in Colorado yesterday. In any event I did not expect that the committee approved slate of 25 would be packed with Cruz supporters, it will most likely contain a fair few establishment types that would not be overly supportive of Cruz or Trump. Well, since American posters with contacts and knowledge about the state's politics disagree with you on this I will just note for the record that I do not believe you are right about this issue and leave it at that. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 16:38:21 GMT
The fact that Cruz's team are campaigning for the delegates that they wish to see elected is a sign that they are taking the convention seriously. It is neither a sign that they are confident or lacking in confidence. They made similar endorsements in Colorado yesterday. In any event I did not expect that the committee approved slate of 25 would be packed with Cruz supporters, it will most likely contain a fair few establishment types that would not be overly supportive of Cruz or Trump. Well, since American posters with contacts and knowledge about the state's politics disagree with you on this I will just note for the record that I do not believe you are right about this issue and leave it at that. Well since I am not making any definitive claims it would be very difficult for me to be right or wrong. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 3, 2016 17:57:21 GMT
So apparently Trump is going to eliminate the US national debt (that is $19 trillion) in the space of 8 years, and he is going to do it simply be renegotiating trade deals. My question for @pjones is this. Is trump a complete and utter retard or does he just think that his supporters are complete and utter retards? I wouldn't use the term 'retard' personally but both propositions may be correct.  |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 18:00:59 GMT
On the abortion matter he said he 'misspoke' and sort of clarified (although not really clarified) his position. Personally I would give him a pass on that one. The reason why he's inconsistent in his statements this week on that issue is that the pro-life people he's trying to appeal to are inconsistent. saying "Abortion is murder" and then at the same time saying "but women shouldn't be punished for it" doesn't make any sense at all. Saying "No pro lifer would support punishing the woman" when they know, or should know that women across many Latin American countries are, right now, sitting in prison for having abortions. Saying that 'the doctor should be punished but not the woman'. What if a woman carries out an illegal self induced abortion? Should she only then be punished, or should she only be punished if she's also a doctor? The religious right have shown themselves, once again, to be sanctimonious hypocrites and demonstrate, once again, why they've made zero progress in overturning Roe vs Wade in the last 40 years. His real problem on abortion is that he is pretending to be something that he is not. Now this isn't the only subject where he is doing that but unlike immigration, where it is easy to come up with cheap soundbites and simple arguments, opposition to abortion is a profound philosophical and moral issue. It is difficult to "fake it" on such a subject when you don't appreciate or understand the basis of that position. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 18:05:04 GMT
So apparently Trump is going to eliminate the US national debt (that is $19 trillion) in the space of 8 years, and he is going to do it simply be renegotiating trade deals. My question for @pjones is this. Is trump a complete and utter retard or does he just think that his supporters are complete and utter retards? I wouldn't use the term 'retard' personally but both propositions may be correct. You are quite right to gently rebuke me. It is clear that comparing retards to Trump and his supporters was a nasty slur against retards for which they have my apologies. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 23:00:21 GMT
Well, since American posters with contacts and knowledge about the state's politics disagree with you on this I will just note for the record that I do not believe you are right about this issue and leave it at that. Of the 23 people endorsed by Cruz 18 were elected as delegates. I will leave it to others to decide which of us showed better knowledge and judgement on this matter. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 3, 2016 23:11:02 GMT
What profound philosophical and moral basis? Anti-abortion activists who spend years saying abortion is murder and should be outlawed but who then turn around and say that 'of course' adult women who consent to the murder of their 'unborn children' shouldn't be punished in any way by the law. I was astonished when I heard anti-abortion groups were saying that. I had stupidly assumed that people who think that abortion is murder would also think that murder deserved some kind of legal penalty. I guess I just massively underestimated how much US anti-abortion organisations were hypocritical sentimentalists. I guess Trump made the same overestimation of these people. Like Trump you have no understanding of the pro-life movement, hence your stupid and inaccurate assumptions about it. Not only do you not understand it but it you intellectually incapable of understanding it, it exists outside of your narrow frame of reference. Seriously, this is the reason why the anti-abortion movement in the US is such a failure. Trying to soften your message and make yourself acceptable to your opponents has just resulted in 40 years of defeat for them. Contrast that with one of the few conservative organisations that has actually been successful over the same period, the NRA. The NRA has taken a hard line, made no attempt to make itself acceptable to its philosophical opponents or to soften its message. As a result its success in legislative and judicial matters has far exceeded that of the anti-abortion movement. The pro-life movement has suffered 40 years of defeat because they are in the minority on the subject, not because they have softened their beliefs. One only has to look at Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock to see what happens when candidates fail to frame the pro-life message correctly. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 4, 2016 12:55:41 GMT
The toddler in chief continues to hurl his toys out of the pram on a near daily basis. Apparent the latest thing that is "unfair" is that John Kasich is allowed to continue as a candidate. According to Trump "he is taking my votes".
Could you just imagine this pathetic cry baby actually trying to negotiate with Putin or the leaders of China?
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Post by john07 on Apr 4, 2016 15:16:27 GMT
The toddler in chief continues to hurl his toys out of the pram on a near daily basis. Apparent the latest thing that is "unfair" is that John Kasich is allowed to continue as a candidate. According to Trump "he is taking my votes". Clearly he is someone with strange view of democracy. |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 4, 2016 17:03:41 GMT
The toddler in chief continues to hurl his toys out of the pram on a near daily basis. Apparent the latest thing that is "unfair" is that John Kasich is allowed to continue as a candidate. According to Trump "he is taking my votes". Clearly he is someone with strange view of democracy. But I think we knew that already. |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 4, 2016 21:31:35 GMT
The toddler in chief continues to hurl his toys out of the pram on a near daily basis. Apparent the latest thing that is "unfair" is that John Kasich is allowed to continue as a candidate. According to Trump "he is taking my votes". Could you just imagine this pathetic cry baby actually trying to negotiate with Putin or the leaders of China? Yes I could actually. Trump always makes clear that there's a big gap between the way he treats people who support him and the way he treats people who go against him. This attitude I think would certainly help America if Trump was negotiating on America's behalf. The people he was negotiated with would know that he would be friendly and welcoming if they pleased him but angry, vindictive and unpredictable if he thought they had cheated him. This attitude would tend to increase fear of the US President in the people he was negotiating with. Fear is a very effective way of producing compliance. You think the Russians and Chinese would be scared of Trump's temper tantrums rather than viewing him as someone who can easily be manipulated and duped? |
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Post by manchesterman on Apr 4, 2016 22:24:53 GMT
More on the Fields/Lewandowski story Lots of "pushing " going on here...better watch out! Battery charges could easily follow!  |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 5, 2016 18:08:28 GMT
You think the Russians and Chinese would be scared of Trump's temper tantrums They should be, they should be scared to some extent of any US President, and I'm sure they are. Given his vindictive attitude to people he thinks have tried to cheat him I don't think that would be very smart of them to try. The US would almost certainly come off worse in any such spat. The US has very little leverage over either country - both Russia and China are individually powerful enough to stand up to the US, whether you're talking about hard power or soft power. And the leaders of both countries are no pushovers. |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 5, 2016 18:26:53 GMT
The US would almost certainly come off worse in any such spat. The US has very little leverage over either country - both Russia and China are individually powerful enough to stand up to the US, whether you're talking about hard power or soft power. And the leaders of both countries are no pushovers. Of course they're no pushovers, no one would expect them to be, but I think you're underestimating the power of the US. The US is militarily more powerful than either Russia or China, but starting a war between nuclear superpowers is the act of a complete moron (and if you think Trump is stupid enough to try it, why on Earth would you be supporting him?). Economically, the US is more dependent on China than China is on the US, and the US and Russian economies are about as distant as possible in a globalised economy. So what, exactly, is it you think Trump would actually do to China or Russia? |
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Post by Richard Allen on Apr 5, 2016 23:27:27 GMT
Honestly @pjones you really are a complete and utter twat who believes things just because you want them to be true. This shocking revelation that Sykes has failed to disclose is not news to the huge number of people who have heard Sykes publicly discuss it.
One day you may look back on this campaign and see how Trump and his surrogates have smeared one prominent conservative figure after another and you might just work out what is really going on.
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