Trivia

[greenhert]

Jul 2, 2024 19:48:01 GMT manchesterman said:

If a number of the opinion polls are correct, there is a real possibility Labour could win all 27 seats in the North East region of England.

Since the concept of segmenting (for convenience) various parts of England - which has existed for as long as I've been following such matters (NW, YH, WM, EM, London etc) - I'm pretty sure that no party has ever before won every seat in any region (unless you know different of course).

You are correct although the Conservatives came close to a clean sweep of the South East in 1983 and 1987; only the Isle of Wight and Oxford East respectively were not won by the Conservatives in those years within that region, and in 1987 Norwich South was the only non-Conservative seat in the East of England.

[carlton43]

Jul 2, 2024 19:48:01 GMT manchesterman said:

If a number of the opinion polls are correct, there is a real possibility Labour could win all 27 seats in the North East region of England.

Since the concept of segmenting (for convenience) various parts of England - which has existed for as long as I've been following such matters (NW, YH, WM, EM, London etc) - I'm pretty sure that no party has ever before won every seat in any region (unless you know different of course).

But!  Small in area.  Small in population and seats.  not such a big ask as the others.  And probably not true either.

[hullenedge]

[Defenestrated Fipplebox]

Jul 5, 2024 15:53:34 GMT hullenedge said:

That's last seasons club league lists.

[hullenedge]

Jul 5, 2024 15:57:17 GMT Defenestrated Fipplebox said:

Jul 5, 2024 15:53:34 GMT hullenedge said:

That's last seasons club league lists.

Some have mentioned that Bromley (Con) will be listed for next season.

[riccimarsh]

Jul 5, 2024 16:01:25 GMT hullenedge said:

Jul 5, 2024 15:57:17 GMT Defenestrated Fipplebox said:

That's last seasons club league lists.

Some have mentioned that Bromley (Con) will be listed for next season.

Chesterfield (Lab) too.

[manchesterman]

Not only were the Tories wiped out in Greater Manchester, they only managed even 2nd place in 7 constituencies. 2 in Trafford, 2 in Bolton, 2 in Bury and Cheadle. Of those, 6 were defences. The exception being Stretford & Urmston... where they were over 35% behind Labour.

[manchesterman]

Reform polled 10,000+ votes in 53 constituencies. The 5 they won of course, plus 29 where Labour won and 19 where the Conservatives won.

9 of the seats were in the East Midlands and East England. 8 were in Yorks/Humbs. There were only 2 in London and Wales. None in Scotland and (surprisingly?) South West.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

I think the Short Money allocations for 2024-25 are:

Conservatives £5,380,154.68
Liberal Democrats £2,459,180.51
Green Party £376,230
Reform UK £376,230
Scottish National Party £372,688.07
Democratic Unionist Party £154,197.94
Plaid Cymru £136,460.68
Social Democratic and Labour Party £125,410

[minionofmidas]

Jul 5, 2024 21:49:19 GMT manchesterman said:

Not only were the Tories wiped out in Greater Manchester, they only managed even 2nd place in 7 constituencies. 2 in Trafford, 2 in Bolton, 2 in Bury and Cheadle. Of those, 6 were defences. The exception being Stretford & Urmston... where they were over 35% behind Labour.

How many defences where they didn't come second - Hazel Grove I know, how about Leigh or was that wiped out by boundary changes?

[The Bishop]

Leigh was I think still notionally Tory. The "new" Whitehaven and Workington seat was definitely one in my neck of the woods.

[minionofmidas]

Jul 8, 2024 8:50:41 GMT The Bishop said:

Leigh was I think still notionally Tory. The "new" Whitehaven and Workington seat was definitely one in my neck of the woods.

Oh there's several elsewhere, just trying to establish that the Tories got fewer 2nd places in GM24 than 1st places in GM19.

[manchesterman]

Jul 8, 2024 6:52:13 GMT minionofmidas said:

Jul 5, 2024 21:49:19 GMT manchesterman said:

Not only were the Tories wiped out in Greater Manchester, they only managed even 2nd place in 7 constituencies. 2 in Trafford, 2 in Bolton, 2 in Bury and Cheadle. Of those, 6 were defences. The exception being Stretford & Urmston... where they were over 35% behind Labour.

How many defences where they didn't come second - Hazel Grove I know, how about Leigh or was that wiped out by boundary changes?

Yeah they were 3rd in Hazel Grove & Leigh.

The 7 seats where they came 2nd were:
Cheadle
Bury N
Bury S
Bolton NE
Bolton W
Alty & Sale W
Stretford & Urmston

The best percentage vote achieved was by incumbent James Daly in Bury N (27.9)
The best result in terms of number of votes from victory was in Bolton W (4945)

[Davıd Boothroyd]

A piece of historical detail which I didn't really realise until I just read it in an obscure history of another topic:

The 1918 general election, which was held just after the end of the First World War, would have happened anyway at around that time even if the war had not come to an end.

It seems odd given the way the dissolution happened just after the end of the war, but it makes a bit more sense when you note that the major changes to the electoral system had already been agreed and passed into law several months before. The Parliamentary Boundary Commissions reported in 1917. The Representation of the People Act which widened the franchise was passed in February 1918. The new constituencies were settled in the late Spring. The last extension of the life of the Parliament, passed in July 1918, only extended it to eight years (which would expire on 31 January 1919).

It seems that by about August 1918 it was decided that a general election was needed, and would have to be held. At the end of October it was definitely happening by the end of the year. The end of the war came suddenly and fortuitously just before the dissolution would have happened anyway, and allowed Lloyd George to go into the election as 'the man who won the war'.

[minionofmidas]

Jul 11, 2024 15:08:24 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

A piece of historical detail which I didn't really realise until I just read it in an obscure history of another topic:

The 1918 general election, which was held just after the end of the First World War, would have happened anyway at around that time even if the war had not come to an end.

It seems odd given the way the dissolution happened just after the end of the war, but it makes a bit more sense when you note that the major changes to the electoral system had already been agreed and passed into law several months before. The Parliamentary Boundary Commissions reported in 1917. The Representation of the People Act which widened the franchise was passed in February 1918. The new constituencies were settled in the late Spring. The last extension of the life of the Parliament, passed in July 1918, only extended it to eight years (which would expire on 31 January 1919).

A six month extension when the previous extensions were 7 or 8 months. Not a huge difference but it does feel vaguely relevant.
By WWII extensions were for 12 months and Parliament was dissolved after VE Day (ie before the war was actually over), half a year before the last extension was up, apparently because Labour were ending the wartime coalition.

[hullenedge]

www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/mock-elections-2024-results

School Mock Election totals. Almost 40,000 voted.

[manchesterman]

Fascinating stuff.

I note that if you flip the Tory and Green vote shares, the results arent a mile away from the actual election outcome!

[hullenedge]

Interesting in a roundabout way. Of course different systems can lead to different voter choices but if these figures were real the most viable coalition is...

[johnloony]

Jul 15, 2024 1:07:57 GMT hullenedge said:

Interesting in a roundabout way. Of course different systems can lead to different voter choices but if these figures were real the most viable coalition is...

The thread itself is interesting, but the system described is a load of vompulent muckdribble.

The bad things are:
Allocation of seats by Sainte-Laguë instead of D’Hondt
The constituencies are too big (ideally they should be about 5 seats per constituency)
There is a weird regional allocation of the last seat for each constituency, which doesn’t directly correspond with what happened in that comstituency

The most bizarre bit is the decision of the Boundary Commission to combine Mid Ulster with Antrim (the map ignores the very existence of Lough Neagh).

[Defenestrated Fipplebox]

Jul 14, 2024 12:34:06 GMT hullenedge said:

www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/mock-elections-2024-results

School Mock Election totals. Almost 40,000 voted.

How many seats did each party win?