The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 14, 2016 12:17:52 GMT
I'm beginning to wonder whether the best solution to Lancashire wouldn't be to move the Carnforth area into the Westmorland constituency. Yes, Cumbria can be done as a self-contained five, but Westmorland is inevitably the small one (especially once one grows Barrow in Furness). Alternatively, if you insist in splitting Lancaster/Morecambe, "move" Arnside and the surrounding area into Lancs (it already has a LA postcode)? |
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Post by islington on Mar 14, 2016 14:34:58 GMT
Regarding Lancashire:
At the risk of being told that I'm an southern interloper interfering in matters he knows nothing about (which would be perfectly true), and with apologies if someone has suggested this before, how about this? (working roughly from south to north)
ORMSKIRK (71897): W Lancs district except the three northern wards.
CHORLEY (73323): Chorley district except the two western wards.
LEYLAND (76655): The three W Lancs wards and two Chorley wards plus the western half of South Ribble (the bits not in Preston, see below).
DARWEN AND ROSSENDALE (74991): The seven wards of Blackburn & Darwen south of the M65 plus the whole of Rossendale.
BLACKBURN (72816): The rest of Blackburn & Darwen.
ACCRINGTON (77227): The whole of Hyndburn plus, from Burnley, the two Padiham wards (neither of which has 'Padiham' in the name) and Rosegrove and Gannow. I know the last two wards are part of the town of Burnley and it's undesirable to nibble at the edges in this way, but it's better than driving a boundary right through the middle.
BURNLEY AND NELSON (77881): The rest of Burnley (including most of the town) and Pendle as far as the wards of Higham, Barrowford, Bradley, Marsden. I need to separate the towns of Nelson and Colne and I've tried to do this in a logical place.
COLNE AND CLITHEROE (76530): The rest of Pendle and the whole of Ribble Valley. I know Colne isn't an especially good fit with the Ribble Valley but you have to have an awkward seat somewhere and surely this is the least bad way of doing it.
PRESTON (74916): The present seat less Ingold and Lea and plus the eastern part of South Ribble (Lostock Hall ward and everything north or east of it).
FYLDE (72476): The whole of Fylde district and the Preesall, Pilling, Gt Eccleston and Hambleton wards of Wyre.
BLACKPOOL SOUTH (77889): Blackpool except the four northern wards.
BLACKPOOL NORTH AND FLEETWOOD (76834): The four northern wards of Blackpool and Wyre west of the Wyre.
LANCASTER AND MORECAMBE (76426): The Lancaster wards (including University) and everything between the Lune and the coast as far north as Bolton-le-Sands.
NORTH LANCASHIRE (71448): Everything else. I know this is a huge seat stretching from the border with Cumbria as far south as Fulwood but isn't this better than extending it eastwards into the Ribble Valley?
OK, that's it (dons body armour).
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Post by YL on Mar 14, 2016 18:03:34 GMT
Possibly being from Yorkshire makes me even less qualified to attempt Lancashire than islington , but I've had a try anyway. I think I've basically managed to keep Preston, Blackburn, Accrington and Burnley unsplit, barring removal of the odd fringe ward, but there's the odd horror elsewhere. Lancaster & Morecambe, Blackpool North & Fleetwood, Blackpool South, Fylde, Preston, Blackburn all the same as in krollo 's map. Pendle (74,709): Current seat plus Sabden and Read & Simonstone wards of Ribble Valley and Briercliffe and Cliviger with Worsthorne wards of Burnley. Valleys of Ribble & Lune (76,426): Everything left which is north of the Ribble or Pendle's northern boundary. Burnley & Bacup (75,967): Rest of Burnley, plus Rossendale from Whitewell eastwards. Yes, I realise that the road from Burnley to Bacup briefly leaves this seat. Also, sorry Burnley. Accrington & Rawtenstall (76,480): Rest of Rossendale, all of Hyndburn except Rishton, Overton and Netherton. Darwen & Bamber Bridge (71,929): Rest of Blackburn with Darwen, rest of Hyndburn, rest of Ribble Valley, Walton-le-Dale and Bamber Bridge areas of South Ribble, two eastern rural wards of Chorley. Yes, that's five districts, and yes, it looks ridiculous. Chorley (73,975): Loses a couple of rural wards to the monster above, takes on Leyland but loses Clayton-le-Woods. South Ribble (76,037): loses Rufford and Leyland, gains Clayton-le-Woods, the Faringtons and Lostock Hall. West Lancashire (71,897): gains Rufford. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 18:13:05 GMT
That "Darwen and Bamber Bridge" looks like Pete's "Darwen, Chorley East and Oswaldtwistle" from very early on in this thread. Maybe it'll come to pass.....
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 14, 2016 18:24:37 GMT
That "Darwen and Bamber Bridge" looks like Pete's "Darwen, Chorley East and Oswaldtwistle" from very early on in this thread. Maybe it'll come to pass..... I'm sure you could come up with a better name for it Dok... |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 14, 2016 18:27:00 GMT
It's not like there's a big road between them or anything. Doesn't matter, should we pair (say) Portsmouth and Southampton together for that reason? Sorry, but I take a personal interest in this one  Yes please - imagine the contortions the MP would get into explaining his/her football loyalties! |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 14, 2016 18:32:54 GMT
Doesn't matter, should we pair (say) Portsmouth and Southampton together for that reason? Sorry, but I take a personal interest in this one Yes please - imagine the contortions the MP would get into explaining his/her football loyalties! Fareham Town FC. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 14, 2016 19:48:37 GMT
Regarding Lancashire: At the risk of being told that I'm an southern interloper interfering in matters he knows nothing about (which would be perfectly true), and with apologies if someone has suggested this before, how about this? (working roughly from south to north) ORMSKIRK (71897): W Lancs district except the three northern wards. CHORLEY (73323): Chorley district except the two western wards. LEYLAND (76655): The three W Lancs wards and two Chorley wards plus the western half of South Ribble (the bits not in Preston, see below). DARWEN AND ROSSENDALE (74991): The seven wards of Blackburn & Darwen south of the M65 plus the whole of Rossendale. BLACKBURN (72816): The rest of Blackburn & Darwen. ACCRINGTON (77227): The whole of Hyndburn plus, from Burnley, the two Padiham wards (neither of which has 'Padiham' in the name) and Rosegrove and Gannow. I know the last two wards are part of the town of Burnley and it's undesirable to nibble at the edges in this way, but it's better than driving a boundary right through the middle. BURNLEY AND NELSON (77881): The rest of Burnley (including most of the town) and Pendle as far as the wards of Higham, Barrowford, Bradley, Marsden. I need to separate the towns of Nelson and Colne and I've tried to do this in a logical place. COLNE AND CLITHEROE (76530): The rest of Pendle and the whole of Ribble Valley. I know Colne isn't an especially good fit with the Ribble Valley but you have to have an awkward seat somewhere and surely this is the least bad way of doing it. PRESTON (74916): The present seat less Ingold and Lea and plus the eastern part of South Ribble (Lostock Hall ward and everything north or east of it). FYLDE (72476): The whole of Fylde district and the Preesall, Pilling, Gt Eccleston and Hambleton wards of Wyre. BLACKPOOL SOUTH (77889): Blackpool except the four northern wards. BLACKPOOL NORTH AND FLEETWOOD (76834): The four northern wards of Blackpool and Wyre west of the Wyre. LANCASTER AND MORECAMBE (76426): The Lancaster wards (including University) and everything between the Lune and the coast as far north as Bolton-le-Sands. NORTH LANCASHIRE (71448): Everything else. I know this is a huge seat stretching from the border with Cumbria as far south as Fulwood but isn't this better than extending it eastwards into the Ribble Valley? OK, that's it (dons body armour). That's approximately what I'm going to propose, with a few minor differences. It seems the best plan to me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 20:04:47 GMT
That "Darwen and Bamber Bridge" looks like Pete's "Darwen, Chorley East and Oswaldtwistle" from very early on in this thread. Maybe it'll come to pass..... I'm sure you could come up with a better name for it Dok... "Winter Hill" is one option.... |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 14, 2016 20:56:49 GMT
Well that's obviously bollocks - the majority of it does but a large part is in Cheshire and a small part in Yorkshire The small part in Yorkshire is largely just the town of Saddleworth. The southern part is what is in Cheshire (for the benefit of those on this forum who do not already know). |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 14, 2016 22:24:12 GMT
Well that's obviously bollocks - the majority of it does but a large part is in Cheshire and a small part in Yorkshire The small part in Yorkshire is largely just the town of Saddleworth. The southern part is what is in Cheshire (for the benefit of those on this forum who do not already know). For all its charms, Saddleworth is not a town. |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 14, 2016 23:25:59 GMT
Yes please - imagine the contortions the MP would get into explaining his/her football loyalties! Fareham Town FC. Nah, too closely linked with Portsmouth, Fareham is (likewise Eastleigh with Southampton). It'd have to be this mighty club: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop%27s_Waltham_Town_F.C. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 15, 2016 0:08:59 GMT
I did think that about Fareham- the last time I saw them play, ex-Pompey thug Jon Gittens was their manager. My lot beat them 1-0 after a replay. (Actually, Gittens was at Southampton for a spell too, but I always associate him with Pompey and Torquay- and being a dirty bastard at both) |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 15, 2016 0:23:32 GMT
I did think that about Fareham- the last time I saw them play, ex-Pompey thug Jon Gittens was their manager. My lot beat them 1-0 after a replay. (Actually, Gittens was at Southampton for a spell too, but I always associate him with Pompey and Torquay- and being a dirty bastard at both) It must be remembered that Fareham is the home town of (enormous Pompey fan and ex-manager) Steve Claridge and that most of the natives follow Pompey too. There are one or two Soton fans in the northwestern most reaches of the borough (plus, inexplicably, my brother-in-law who is from Fareham town proper, my ex-Fratton Park regular mother-in-law still hasn't quite worked that one out!) but not a lot. The really confusing place for Pompey/Southampton support divide is on the Isle of Wight. It gets very messy around Newport... |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Mar 15, 2016 0:35:28 GMT
I did think that about Fareham- the last time I saw them play, ex-Pompey thug Jon Gittens was their manager. My lot beat them 1-0 after a replay. (Actually, Gittens was at Southampton for a spell too, but I always associate him with Pompey and Torquay- and being a dirty bastard at both) It must be remembered that Fareham is the home town of (enormous Pompey fan and ex-manager) Steve Claridge and that most of the natives follow Pompey too. There are one or two Soton fans in the northwestern most reaches of the borough (plus, inexplicably, my brother-in-law who is from Fareham town proper, my ex-Fratton Park regular mother-in-law still hasn't quite worked that one out!) but not a lot. The really confusing place for Pompey/Southampton support divide is on the Isle of Wight. It gets very messy around Newport... Claridge is an arsehole. He is one of the reasons I don't like Pompey. The main reason is that I've experienced visiting Fratton Park too many times- including this season as a (semi-)neutral watching Oxford there. Even after a 4th division game, it all kicked off after. We missed most the 'fun' as we pub-crawled our way back to the Hole in the Wall. |
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Post by Khunanup on Mar 15, 2016 0:58:55 GMT
It must be remembered that Fareham is the home town of (enormous Pompey fan and ex-manager) Steve Claridge and that most of the natives follow Pompey too. There are one or two Soton fans in the northwestern most reaches of the borough (plus, inexplicably, my brother-in-law who is from Fareham town proper, my ex-Fratton Park regular mother-in-law still hasn't quite worked that one out!) but not a lot. The really confusing place for Pompey/Southampton support divide is on the Isle of Wight. It gets very messy around Newport... Claridge is an arsehole. He is one of the reasons I don't like Pompey. The main reason is that I've experienced visiting Fratton Park too many times- including this season as a (semi-)neutral watching Oxford there. Even after a 4th division game, it all kicked off after. We missed most the 'fun' as we pub-crawled our way back to the Hole in the Wall. It is rather tiresome, not least for the fans who just want to go and watch a match. If it's a club that has any kind of rep at all it kicks of, if it's a club like Newport last Saturday, it disrupts traffic etc... A very fine crawl! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 25, 2016 21:07:13 GMT
My plan for Merseyside (minus Wirral), seeking to avoid having to put Swanside in a Liverpool seat:  Southport (74641) - the usual Kirkby and Maghull (78110) - GreenHert suggested something similar earlier in the thread, but his version split Kirkby. I suppose you could argue for Knowsley North and Sefton East, if you particularly liked ugly names Bootle (76615) - this, rather than Sefton Central, is my minimum change seat Liverpool Walton (71209) - the numbers here are very tight Liverpool Riverside (76062) Liverpool West Derby and Wavertree (72457) - slightly more Wavertree than West Derby, but West Derby is the more historic name Liverpool Garston (73092) Knowsley (74297) - includes Belle Vale from Liverpool, but given that it's separated from the rest of the city by a railway line, I don't think that's too problematic. St Helens South and Whiston (74885) - unchanged St Helens North (72060) - unchanged Technically the abolished seat is West Derby, although in practice the incumbents in Wavertree, West Derby and Walton could all plausibly end up without a seat to run in. |
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Post by lancastrian on Mar 25, 2016 21:56:49 GMT
The thing I always dislike about Merseyside boundary suggestions is Prescot West ward- it would be much neater were it split in half. Obviously it's unlikely the boundary commission would go for it, but would the numbers still work if it were split?
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Post by iain on Mar 26, 2016 20:23:14 GMT
Looking at the proposals for the west of Lancashire - could you get Lunesdale in with Fleetwood and Cleveleys, then twinning Blackpool with Lytham St Anne's instead. The rest of Fylde could then be linked with the north of Preston, rather than having a Preston North & Lunesdale seat.
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Post by lancastrian on Mar 26, 2016 21:20:10 GMT
Looking at the proposals for the west of Lancashire - could you get Lunesdale in with Fleetwood and Cleveleys, then twinning Blackpool with Lytham St Anne's instead. The rest of Fylde could then be linked with the north of Preston, rather than having a Preston North & Lunesdale seat. The numbers are awkward around Blackpool -I've got Lunesdale, Fleetwood, Thornton and a bit of Cleveleys. But Preston North and Lunesdale has the M6, whereas Fleetwood and Lunesdale has the Knott End ferry and a route via Lancaster city centre. I can't see why it would be preferable. According to Google Maps: Carnforth to Fulwood: Car: 30 mins, Public Transport: 1h39 Edit: 1h14 weekday daytime Carnforth to Fleetwood: Car: 52 mins, Public Transport: 2h53. Edit: 2h 1min |
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