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Post by iain on Mar 12, 2016 23:10:58 GMT
Couldn't you put Bamber Bridge into South Ribble and Leyland into Chorley. Chorley would then lose the three Clayton-le-Woods wards and five eastern wards to Rossendale & Darwen. Hyndburn would gain the two Padiham wards from Burnley, and could possibly (?) swap Haslingden for Goodshaw. Burnley would take the six eastern Rossendale wards.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:23:29 GMT
"Accrington and Bamber Bridge" is insane
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Post by lancastrian on Mar 13, 2016 0:42:36 GMT
Couldn't you put Bamber Bridge into South Ribble and Leyland into Chorley. Chorley would then lose the three Clayton-le-Woods wards and five eastern wards to Rossendale & Darwen. Hyndburn would gain the two Padiham wards from Burnley, and could possibly (?) swap Haslingden for Goodshaw. Burnley would take the six eastern Rossendale wards. In theory yes, though Goodshaw in Hyndburn doesn't work (hill in the way, and it requires Worsley ward, thus splitting Haslingden in two). The division of Rossendale is entirely arbitrary also (Whitewell is historically Rawtenstall). However, Rawtenstall, Darwen, Clayton-le-Woods and Adlington really doesn't work. It's four disconnected parts. Valleys of Ribble and Lune necessitates a combination of places East and West of Blackburn, which is least bad when it's two coherent halves. The current Ribble Valley is the only possible such combination, but is ruled out by Valleys of Ribble and Lune. All other possibilities involve at least three separate parts and at least one significant hill. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 13, 2016 6:35:21 GMT
I thought I'd join in on the Lancastrian fun. North Lancashire ... largely consists of pro-Tory areas of various current seats and is theirs for the taking (despite the fact that it would seem to go down to the Wyre).  |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 13, 2016 10:11:37 GMT
It seems to me that any arrangement of constituencies in Lancashire is going to end up splitting at least one of Preston, Blackburn, Accrington or Burnley, and any halfway sane arrangement is going to involve splitting two of them.
I'm now working on a west-east split of Preston with the western third going into Fylde.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 11:47:39 GMT
It certainly looks as though the NW will look very similar to the Zombie Review. East Lancashire is going to be a royal mess.
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Post by lancastrian on Mar 13, 2016 13:41:41 GMT
It certainly looks as though the NW will look very similar to the Zombie Review. East Lancashire is going to be a royal mess. Compared to the Zombie review there are some relatively nice arrangements possible in East Lancs (ie no less sane than Rossendale and Darwen, maybe even with a road connection), but it relies on splitting Preston, assuming 'Bamber Bridge and Carnforth' is out. If Preston remains split, there are three obvious combinations for East Lancs: 1) Burnley & Nelson, Hyndburn & Padiham, Ribble Valley & Colne. 2) Burnley & Brierfield, Pendle & Clitheroe, Hyndburn & Blackburn Rural District( plus Whalley less Pleasington and Tockholes) 3) Burnley & Accrington, Pendle(zombie review), Ribble Valley, Great Harwood and Oswaldtwistle. (1) splits Nelson, and gives a long thin Ribble & Colne. (2) I'm actually thinking isn't that bad. The Hyndburn seat has more connections than Rossendale & Darwen. (3) splits Accrington and Burnley, and Oswaldtwistle is rather isolated there. There is of course precedent for Fulwood making up the numbers in big rural seats, and I'd say Bamber Bridge is better linked to Preston than it or Clayton-le-Woods are to any part of East Lancashire. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 13, 2016 13:47:47 GMT
It will also allow some other more logical seats - Lancaster & Morecambe, Fylde (adding in Lea and the two rural Preston wards), Preston (taking in pretty much the entire town), Lea was already in the proposed Fylde. Taking in the other suggestions:  Fylde (72823) Preston (77324) North Lancashire (77665) Lancaster and Morecambe (76426) Pendle (71437) Burnley and Accrington East (74030) Accrington West and Bamber Bridge (77199) I'm not sure which of those options I dislike more. I think your first attempt was better, for all that Lancaster S and Preston N was a horror. Which you can fix by putting Lancaster in with Morecambe and everything else with Fulwood. Sure, "Preston N and then follow the M6 until you hit Cumbria" would be fairly dreadful, but Fulwood is used to being combined with a large amount of fairly distant countryside and at least there is a motorway running right through the middle of the seat, so it's easy to get about. And I definitely think putting Bamber Bridge in with Preston is necessary. Fulwood wants to pretend its not part of Preston and if you pretend to believe them, you can make East Lancashire work a lot better. |
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Post by iain on Mar 13, 2016 15:40:39 GMT
You can get a pretty coherent Accrington and Rossendale seat, but not sure where to go from there.
Does Darwen have links to anywhere apart from Blackburn?
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Post by greenhert on Mar 13, 2016 16:23:12 GMT
You can get a pretty coherent Accrington and Rossendale seat, but not sure where to go from there. Does Darwen have links to anywhere apart from Blackburn? Bolton. But that crosses the county boundary. Greater Manchester is not a county and never really was-Bolton is ceremonially in Lancashire so no county boundaries are being crossed. |
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Post by andrewteale on Mar 13, 2016 16:30:30 GMT
Bolton. But that crosses the county boundary. Greater Manchester is not a county and never really was-Bolton is ceremonially in Lancashire so no county boundaries are being crossed. ... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 17:47:19 GMT
Greater Manchester is not a county and never really was-Bolton is ceremonially in Lancashire so no county boundaries are being crossed. ... Bull, meet red flag.... |
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Post by Foggy on Mar 14, 2016 1:16:28 GMT
Bolton. But that crosses the county boundary. Greater Manchester is not a county and never really was-Bolton is ceremonially in Lancashire so no county boundaries are being crossed. Historically and traditionally, Bolton does indeed lie in Lancashire. Ceremonially, Bolton is still within the lieutenancy area of Greater Manchester. It'll effectively be back inside it administratively too when the Mayor takes over fully next year. However, according to that ever-reliable source, Wikipedia: "Greater Manchester remains part of the Lancashire County Palatine..." – whatever that means. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Mar 14, 2016 1:23:27 GMT
Well that's obviously bollocks - the majority of it does but a large part is in Cheshire and a small part in Yorkshire
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Post by Clarko on Mar 14, 2016 8:51:26 GMT
OK - Lancs is really hard to get just right, but here's my pass at it. 1 West Lancashire 76361 2 Chorley 77035 3 South Ribble 72082 4 Preston 71313 5 Blackburn 72816 6 Rossendale & Darwen 74991 7 Accrington & Padiham 76969 8 Burnley & Nelson 76725 9 Pendle & Bowland 77944 10 Lancaster & Mid Lancashire 76892 11 Fylde 73451 12 Blackpool 77978 13 Amounderness 75352 14 Morcambe & Lunesdale 71400  |
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 14, 2016 10:42:25 GMT
Ah, the S Lancaster/N Preston horror again. Should be in the Pitchfork Bait thread, no question  |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 14, 2016 10:43:15 GMT
It's not like there's a big road between them or anything.
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 14, 2016 10:46:07 GMT
It's not like there's a big road between them or anything. Doesn't matter, should we pair (say) Portsmouth and Southampton together for that reason? Sorry, but I take a personal interest in this one  |
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Post by lennon on Mar 14, 2016 11:10:38 GMT
I keep wanting to ignore the Regional boundaries, and chuck Bowland with Settle and the Dales... In the absence of that - how about a 'Valleys of Ribble and Darwen' seat - looks daft (and probably is), but I'm not sure that its any worse than Darwen and Rossendale. You can then do Accrington & Rossendale; Burnley and Bacup; and Pendle.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 11:33:15 GMT
Ah, the S Lancaster/N Preston horror again. Should be in the Pitchfork Bait thread, no question It's been one of the common creations in this thread, you may have to get used to it Anyway it'd be called "Wyre", doesn't sound quite so bad then, eh? |
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