2018 Review — North West England

[A Brown]

Mar 2, 2016 19:30:02 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Mar 2, 2016 18:44:42 GMT islington said:

Regarding 'Valleys of Lune and Ribble', above, you could do worse than simply call it 'North Lancashire'.

Ugh, no.

Bowland?

[akmd]

Presumably Pete's Lancaster and Morecambe would keep Cat Smith in a job come 2020?

[iain]

Mar 2, 2016 20:16:48 GMT akmd said:

Presumably Pete's Lancaster and Morecambe would keep Cat Smith in a job come 2020?

I would assume. Under the zombie review her best chance would probably have been to follow Fleetwood into a Blackpool North seat.

[Deleted]

Mar 2, 2016 19:53:09 GMT A Brown said:

Mar 2, 2016 19:30:02 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Ugh, no.

Bowland?

A third way?

[greenhert]

Some of my sample constituencies for the North West, starting with Merseyside:

1. Liverpool West Derby: All Liverpool wards currently in the West Derby constituency plus Fazakerley ward. Electorate: 72,921.
2. Liverpool Walton. The Liverpool wards of Anfield, Clubmoor, County, Everton, Warbreck, Old Swan, Kirkdale, and Kensington & Fairfield. Electorate: 78,211.
3. Liverpool Riverside & Wavertree. The Liverpool wards of Central, St Michaels, Mossley Hill, Greenbank, Princes Park, Riverside, Picton, and Wavertree. Electorate: 75,436.
4. Liverpool Garston: The Liverpool wards of Allerton & Hunts Cross, Belle Vale, Childwall, Church, Cressington, Speke-Garston, and Woolton. Electorate: 77,410.
5. Wallasey. All existing wards in Wallasey plus the Wirral ward of Hoylake & Meols. Electorate: 74,240.
6. Birkenhead. All existing wards in Birkenhead plus the Wirral ward of Upton. Electorate: 72,957.
7. Bebington & The Wirral. The Wirral wards of West Kirkby & Thurstaston, Heswall, Pengby & Thingwall, Greasby, Frankby & Irby, Bebington, Clatterbridge, & Bromborough. (The remaining Wirral ward of Eastham will be combined with a redrawn Ellesmere Port & Neston) Electorate: 78,377.
8. Bootle & Crosby Town: The existing constituency of Bootle with the Sefton Central ward of Blundellsands added (which contains the town of Crosby). Electorate: 76,615.
9.Southport. The existing constituency of Southport plus the Harrington ward. Electorate: 74,641.
10. Maghull Valley & Kirkby. The Sefton wards of Ravenmeols, Manor, Park, Sudell, and Molyneux, plus the Knowsley wards of Kirkby Central, Northwood, Shevington, Park, and Whitefield. Electorate: 71,686.
11. Huyton. All remaining wards of Knowsley except Whiston North & Whiston South. Electorate: 75,254.
12. St Helens North. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 72,060.
13. St Helens South. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,885.

[greenhert]

Greater Manchester proposed constituencies (this is an awkward area for boundary redrawing due to large ward sizes):

1. Hazel Grove & Poynton*: All the Stockport wards within the current Hazel Grove constituency plus the Cheshire East wards of Poynton East & Pott Shrigley and Poynton West & Adlington. Electorate: 73,339.
2. Cheadle: All the Stockport wards within the current Cheadle constituency plus half the ward of Davenport & Cale Green. Electorate: 76,350 approx.
3. Stockport & Reddish: The Stockport wards of Reddish North, Reddish South, half the ward of Davenport & Cale Green, Edgeley & Cheadle Heath, Heatons North, Heatons South, Brinnington & Central, and Manor. Electorate: 75,000 approx.
4. Ashton-under-Lyne & Stalybridge. The Tameside wards of Longendale, Stalybridge North, Stalybridge South, Dunkinfield, Dunkinfield Stalybridge, St Peter's, Ashton Hurst, Ashton St Michael's, and Ashton Waterloo. Electorate: 77,158.
5. Denton, Droylsden & Hyde. The Tameside wards of Audenshaw, Droylsden East, Droylsden West, Denton North East, Denton West, Denton South, Hyde Godley, Hyde Newton, and Hyde Werneth. Electorate: 78,333.
6. Oldham & Saddleworth: The Oldham wards of Coldhurst, Saddleworth North/South/West and Lees, St James', Waterhead, Werneth, St Mary's and Shaw, plus the Tameside ward of Mossley. Electorate: 76,635.
7. Failsworth, Chadderton & Royton: The Oldham wards of Failsworth East/West, Hollinwood, Chadderton North/Central/South, Royton North/South, Alexandra, and Medlock Vale. Electorate: 77,537.
8. Heywood & Middleton. All the existing Rochdale wards in the Heywood & Middleton constituency plus some polling districts from the ward of Spotland & Falinge. Electorate: 78,200 approx.
9. Rochdale. All the existing Rochdale constituency plus the Oldham ward of Crompton, minus some polling districts from the ward of Spotland & Falinge. Electorate: 78,300 approx.
10. Wigan. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 72,733.
11. Leigh. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 73,070.
12. Makerfield. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 71,857.
13. Manchester Withington. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,616.
14. Wythenshawe & Sale East. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 75,919.
15. Manchester Gorton. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,227.
16. Manchester Central. The Manchester wards of Bradford, Moss Side, Hulme, City Centre, Cheetham Hill (part), Ancoats & Clayton, and Ardwick. Electorate: 71,500 approx.
17. Manchester Blackley. The Manchester wards of Cheetham Hill (part), Higher Blackley, Harpurhey, Miles Platting & New Heath, Moston, Crumpsall and Charlestown. Electorate: 71,300 approx.

18. Altrincham & Sale West. All Trafford wards within the current Altrincham & Sale West constituency plus the ward of Bucklow St. Martin's. Electorate: 76,239.

19. Stretford & Urmston. The Trafford wards of Flixton, Urmston, Davyhulme West/East, Stretford, Gorse Hill, Longford, and Clifford, plus the Salford wards of Irlam and Cadishead. Electorate: 75,802.

20. Salford. The Salford wards of Broughton, Kersal, Swinton North, Swinton South, Pendlebury, Claremont, Irwell Riverside, Langworthy, and Ordsall. Electorate: 73,444.

21. Eccles. The Salford wards of Eccles, Walkden North, Walkden South, Weaste and Seedley, Little Hulton, Boothstown & Ellenbrook, Worsley, Winton and Barton. Electorate: 74,301.

22. Bury. All the Bury wards in the existing Bury North constituency plus the ward of Unsworth. Electorate: 71,594.

23. Radcliffe. The Bury wards of Radcliffe North/East/West, Besses, Sedgeley, St Mary's, Holyrood,and Pilkington Park, plus the Bolton ward of Kearsley. Electorate: 73,060.

24. Bolton. The Bolton wards of Crompton, Halliwell, Tonge with the Haulgh, Breightmet, Bradshaw, Bromley Cross, Astley Bridge, and Smithills. Electorate: 73,639.

25. Farnworth & Westhoughton. The Bolton wards of Westhoughton South, Westhoughton North & Chew Moor, Hulton, Harper Green, Farnworth, Great Lever, Little Lever & Darcy Lever, and Runworth. Electorate: 75,572.

26. Chorley & Horwich*. The Bolton wards of Heaton & Lostock, Horwich & Blackrod, and Horwich North East, plus the Chorley wards of Adlington & Anderton, Heath Charnock & Rivington, Pennine, Wheelton & Withnell, Brindle & Broughton,  Chorley North West/South West/North East/East/South East, Astley & Buckshaw, & Coppull. Electorate: 78,443.

[Pete Whitehead]

Mar 6, 2016 1:18:38 GMT greenhert said:

Greater Manchester proposed constituencies (this is an awkward area for boundary redrawing due to large ward sizes):

15. Manchester Gorton. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,227.
16. Manchester Central. The Manchester wards of Whalley Range, Moss Side, Hulme, City Centre, Cheetham Hill, Ancoats & Clayton (part) and Ardwick. Electorate: 71,500 approx.

I will update this once I have had some rest....

There's a rather obvious flaw here

[andrewteale]

Mar 6, 2016 1:18:38 GMT greenhert said:

Greater Manchester proposed constituencies (this is an awkward area for boundary redrawing due to large ward sizes):

1. Hazel Grove & Poynton: All the Stockport wards within the current Hazel Grove constituency plus the Cheshire East wards of Poynton East & Pott Shrigley and Poynton West & Adlington. Electorate: 73,339.
2. Cheadle: All the Stockport wards within the current Cheadle constituency plus half the ward of Davenport & Cale Green. Electorate: 76,350 approx.
3. Stockport & Reddish: The Stockport wards of Reddish North, Reddish South, half the ward of Davenport & Cale Green, Edgeley & Cheadle Heath, Heatons North, Heatons South, Brinnington & Central, and Manor. Electorate: 75,000 approx.
4. Ashton-under-Lyne & Stalybridge. The Tameside wards of Longendale, Stalybridge North, Stalybridge South, Dunkinfield, Dunkinfield Stalybridge, St Peter's, Ashton Hurst, Ashton St Michael's, and Ashton Waterloo. Electorate: 77,158.
5. Denton, Droylsden & Hyde. The Tameside wards of Audenshaw, Droylsden East, Droylsden West, Denton North East, Denton West, Denton South, Hyde Godley, Hyde Newton, and Hyde Werneth. Electorate: 78,333.
6. Oldham & Saddleworth: The Oldham wards of Coldhurst, Saddleworth North/South/West and Lees, St James', Waterhead, Werneth, St Mary's and Shaw, plus the Tameside ward of Mossley. Electorate: 76,635.
7. Failsworth, Chadderton & Royton: The Oldham wards of Failsworth East/West, Hollinwood, Chadderton North/Central/South, Royton North/South, Alexandra, and Medlock Vale. Electorate: 77,537.
8. Heywood & Middleton. All the existing Rochdale wards in the Heywood & Middleton constituency plus some polling districts from the ward of Spotland & Falinge. Electorate: 78,200 approx.
9. Rochdale. All the existing Rochdale constituency plus the Oldham ward of Crompton, minus some polling districts from the ward of Spotland & Falinge. Electorate: 78,300 approx.
10. Wigan. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 72,733.
11. Leigh. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 73,070.
12. Makerfield. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 71,857.
13. Manchester Withington. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,616.
14. Wythenshawe & Sale East. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 75,919.
15. Manchester Gorton. Unchanged from current boundaries. Electorate: 74,227.
16. Manchester Central. The Manchester wards of Bradford, Moss Side, Hulme, City Centre, Cheetham Hill (part), Ancoats & Clayton, and Ardwick. Electorate: 71,500 approx.
17. Manchester Blackley. The Manchester wards of Cheetham Hill (part), Higher Blackley, Harpurhey, Miles Platting & New Heath, Moston, Crumpsall and Charlestown. Electorate: 71,300 approx.

18. Altrincham & Sale West. All Trafford wards within the current Altrincham & Sale West constituency plus the ward of Bucklow St. Martin's. Electorate: 76,239.

19. Stretford & Urmston. The Trafford wards of Flixton, Urmston, Davyhulme West/East, Stretford, Gorse Hill, Longford, and Clifford, plus the Salford wards of Irlam and Cadishead. Electorate: 75,802.

20. Salford. The Salford wards of Broughton, Kersal, Swinton North, Swinton South, Pendlebury, Claremont, Irwell Riverside, Langworthy, and Ordsall. Electorate: 73,444.

21. Eccles. The Salford wards of Eccles, Walkden North, Walkden South, Weaste and Seedley, Little Hulton, Boothstown & Ellenbrook, Worsley, Winton and Barton. Electorate: 74,301.

What happened to Bury, Bolton and Trafford?

[greenhert]

Now onto Lancashire (five sample constituencies):

1. Blackburn. All Blackburn with Darwen wards currently in the Blackburn constituency plus the additional ward of Fernhurst. Electorate: 72,816.
2. Rossendale & Darwen. The entire district of Rossendale and all Blackburn with Darwen wards not in the Blackburn constituency. Electorate: 74,991.
3. Leyland Valley. The Chorley wards of Clayton-le-Woods West and Cuerden, Clayton-le-Woods and Whittle-le-Woods, Clayton-le-Woods North, Euxton North/South, and the South Ribble wards of Hoole, Moss Side, Leyland Central, St Ambrose, Seven Stars, Broadfield, Buckshaw & Worden, and Earnshaw Bridge. Electorate: 75,359.
4. Preston North. The Preston wards of Greyfriars, Preston Rural North/East, Ribbleton, Lea, Larches, Ingol, Sharoe Green, Garrison, Cadley, College, Ashton, Tulketh, Moor Park, St Matthew's and Deepdale. Electorate: 73,961.
5. Preston South. The Preston wards of Fishwick, Town Centre, Riversway, St George's and University, plus all the South Ribble Valley wards not in Leyland (including the towns of Bamber Bridge and Hutton). Electorate: 71,855.

[Deleted]

I'm not sure "Leyland Valley" works, what happens to the rest of Chorley?

[greenhert]

Mar 6, 2016 16:26:45 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

I'm not sure "Leyland Valley" works, what happens to the rest of Chorley?

I included the rest of Chorley, particularly Chorley town itself, in 'Chorley and Horwich' on my list of Greater Manchester constituencies.

[Deleted]

Mar 6, 2016 16:44:04 GMT greenhert said:

Mar 6, 2016 16:26:45 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

I'm not sure "Leyland Valley" works, what happens to the rest of Chorley?

I included the rest of Chorley, particularly Chorley town itself, in 'Chorley and Horwich' on my list of Greater Manchester constituencies.

In the context of the current review, there's little need to cross boundaries. Lancashire fits 14 seats without the need to add "outer" wards.

[andrewteale]

Here is my proposal for Cheshire and Greater Manchester.

PLUS POINTS
- Correct entitlement of 39 seats
- All seats within tolerance
- Only one seat crossing the Greater Manchester-Cheshire boundary
- Five seats are completely unchanged and a sixth seat is only minimally changed
- Unites Sale within one constituency

MINUS POINTS
- Two wards are split between constituencies
- Runcorn is split between three constituencies
- Blackley, Broughton and Prestwich contains wards from three Greater Manchester boroughs (but see defence below)

SEATS ABOLISHED
- Birkenhead
- Bury South
- Denton and Reddish



1. ALTRINCHAM AND SALE (77226). Unites all of Sale within one constituency. Compared to the current Altrincham and Sale West, loses Bowdon and the Hale wards to Tatton, gains Bucklow-St Martins from Stretford and Urmston and the rest of Sale from Wythenshawe and Sale East.
2. ASHTON-UNDER-LYNE (75106). Gains Audenshaw from Denton and Reddish.
3. BLACKLEY, BROUGHTON AND PRESTWICH (74570). Compared to the current Blackley and Broughton, loses Charlestown and Harpurhey to Manchester Central, gains the three Prestwich wards from Bury South. Despite being tri-borough this is a very coherent seat: the area where Bury, Manchester and Salford meet is built up, the boundary is difficult to notice on the ground and there are strong cross-community links at the point where the three boroughs meet.
4. BOLTON EAST (72603). The current Bolton North East plus Great Lever ward from Bolton South East, which makes a rename appropriate.
5. BOLTON WEST (77948). Loses Atherton to Leigh, gains Rumworth and Hulton from Bolton South East.
6. BURY (71594). The current Bury North plus Unsworth ward from Bury South.
7. CHEADLE (76000 approx.). Gains Davenport and Cale Green ward from Stockport, loses the part of Stepping Hill south of the railway line to Hazel Grove.
8. CITY OF CHESTER (73723). Unchanged apart from realignments to the new ward boundaries.
9. CONGLETON (73641). Loses Dane Valley ward to Macclesfield, gains some rural territory from Eddisbury, and Crewe and Nantwich.
10. CREWE AND NANTWICH (73435). Loses some rural territory to Congleton, gains some rural territory from Eddsbury.
11. EDDISBURY (73851). Much redrawn from the current seat and no longer includes any part of Cheshire East. Gains Elton from Ellesmere Port and Neston, Beechwood, Frodham, Helsby and Kingsley from Weaver Vale and Heath from Halton.
12. ELLESMERE PORT AND HESWALL (73382). Gains Heswall from Wirral South, loses Elton to Eddisbury.
13. HALTON (73092). Or how to avoid ward-splitting in Cheshire. Gains Penketh and Cuerdley from Warrington South, loses Heath to Eddisbury.
14. HAZEL GROVE (76000 approx.). Gains Manor from Stockport and the southern part of Stepping Hill ward from Cheadle.
15. HEYWOOD AND MIDDLETON (75880). Unchanged.
16. LEIGH (78000 approx.). Gains Atherton from Bolton West, loses the Golborne part of Golborne and Lowton West to Makerfield.
17. MACCLESFIELD (73677). Gains Dane Valley from Congleton, loses Prestbury to Tatton.
18. MAKERFIELD (78000 approx.). Gains the Golborne part of Golborne and Lowton West from Leigh.
19. MANCHESTER CENTRAL (76181). Like all the Manchester seats, much redrawn. Gains Charlestown and Harpurhey from Blackley and Broughton, loses Ardwick, Hulme and Moss Side to Manchester Gorton.
20. MANCHESTER GORTON (74507). Gains Ardwick, Hulme and Moss Side from Manchester Central, loses Fallowfield, Levenshulme and Whalley Range to Manchester Withington.
21. MANCHESTER WITHINGTON (75270). Gains Fallowfield, Levenshulme and Whalley Range from Manchester Gorton, loses Chorlton to Stretford and Urmston and the Didsbury wards to Manchester Wythenshawe.
22. MANCHESTER WYTHENSHAWE (74315). Compared to Wythenshawe and Sale East, gains the Didsbury wards from Manchester Withington and loses the Sale East wards to Altrincham and Sale.
23. OLDHAM EAST AND SADDLEWORTH (71495). Gains Mossley from Stalybridge and Hyde, loses Alexandra to Oldham West and Royton.
24. OLDHAM WEST AND ROYTON (75668). Gains Alexandra from Oldham East and Saddleworth.
25. RADCLIFFE AND FARNWORTH (77546). A new seat combining the Radcliffe and Whitefield wards from Bury South with the Farnworth, Kearsley and Little Lever wards from Bolton South East.
26. ROCHDALE (72530). Unchanged.
27. SALFORD AND ECCLES (74161). Unchanged.
28. STALYBRIDGE AND HYDE (78063). Loses Mossley to Oldham East and Saddleworth, gains Dukinfield and Denton North East from Denton and Reddish.
29. STOCKPORT AND DENTON (77768). Loses Davenport and Cale Green to Cheadle and Manor to Hazel Grove, gains the Reddish wards, Denton South and Denton West from Denton and Reddish.
30. STRETFORD AND URMSTON (71721). Gains Chorlton from Manchester Withington, loses Bucklow-St Martins to Altrincham and Sale. Now entirely north of the Mersey.
31. TATTON (71441). The cross-border seat. No longer includes any part of Cheshire West and Chester. Gains Bowdon and the Hale wards from Altrincham and Sale West and Prestbury from Macclesfield.
32. WALLASEY AND BIRKENHEAD (72931). Compared to the current Wallasey, gains Bidston, Birkenhead and Claughton from Birkenhead, loses the two Moreton wards to Wirral West.
33. WARRINGTON NORTH (72811). Exchanges territory with Warrington South: gains Whittle Hall, loses Rixton and Woolston.
34. WARRINGTON SOUTH (73320). Exchanges those wards with Warrington North and loses Penketh and Cuerdley to Halton.
35. WEAVER VALE (72921). Gains the Tatton wards in Cheshire West and Chester, loses Frodsham and Helsby to Eddisbury. A name change to Northwich might be appropriate.
36. WIGAN (72733). Unchanged.
37. WIRRAL SOUTH (76128). Gains Oxton, Prenton and Rock Ferry from Birkenhead, loses Heswall to Ellesmere Port and Heswall.
38. WIRRAL WEST (75275). Gains the Moreton wards from Wallasey.
39. WORSLEY AND ECCLES SOUTH (72316). Unchanged.

[Clarko]

That's certainly a solid set of proposals, although I imagine they'll have something to say about that arrangement on the Wirral - Wallasey and Birkenhead are not what you'd call 'natural stablemates'

[greatkingrat]

SalManBur Central?

[Clarko]

Mar 8, 2016 14:00:08 GMT greatkingrat said:

SalManBur Central?

Irwell Banks

[Deleted]

Mar 8, 2016 13:09:21 GMT @jamesdowden said:

Mar 7, 2016 17:46:37 GMT andrewteale said:

3. BLACKLEY, BROUGHTON AND PRESTWICH (74570). Compared to the current Blackley and Broughton, loses Charlestown and Harpurhey to Manchester Central, gains the three Prestwich wards from Bury South. Despite being tri-borough this is a very coherent seat: the area where Bury, Manchester and Salford meet is built up, the boundary is difficult to notice on the ground and there are strong cross-community links at the point where the three boroughs meet.

Sounds like the local government boundaries there are peculiarly badly drawn. Is there really no better name for this constituency though? If people from Penarth can cope with having the word "Cardiff" in Cardiff South and Penarth, then surely people from the I-can't-believe-it's-not-Manchester boroughs can cope with the word "Manchester". Names of random suburbs without their city name are confusing; it's bad enough that London constituencies do it. And this one's particularly abominable in that Blackley isn't pronounced how it's spelt and Broughton is one of the most common placenames in Britain (I think there are nineteen of them, two of which are also in historic Lancashire).

" Manchester North" would cause riots in the streets.

The local authority boundaries are badly drawn around here. A deliberate Labour Party fix to save Manchester for themselves and to feed a biased media with "no Tories in the North" bullshit.

[The Bishop]

The boundaries were drawn over four decades ago by a Tory government.

At that time there were lots of Tory councillors in Manchester and other places where there are few or none today.

So, what's your point?

[Arthur Figgis]

Mar 8, 2016 16:44:06 GMT doktorb🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️ said:

Mar 8, 2016 13:09:21 GMT @jamesdowden said:

Sounds like the local government boundaries there are peculiarly badly drawn. Is there really no better name for this constituency though? If people from Penarth can cope with having the word "Cardiff" in Cardiff South and Penarth, then surely people from the I-can't-believe-it's-not-Manchester boroughs can cope with the word "Manchester". Names of random suburbs without their city name are confusing; it's bad enough that London constituencies do it. And this one's particularly abominable in that Blackley isn't pronounced how it's spelt and Broughton is one of the most common placenames in Britain (I think there are nineteen of them, two of which are also in historic Lancashire).

" Manchester North" would cause riots in the streets.

The local authority boundaries are badly drawn around here. A deliberate Labour Party fix to save Manchester for themselves and to feed a biased media with "no Tories in the North" bullshit.

Do you ever think before you post?

The boundaries of Manchester City Council were drawn as part of the Local Government Act 1972. The first elections saw the Conservative Party win 40 out of 99 seats.

Mar 8, 2016 16:48:19 GMT The Bishop said:

The boundaries were drawn over four decades ago by a Tory government.

At that time there were lots of Tory councillors in Manchester and other places where there are few or none today.

So, what's your point?

Essentially what he said, while I was in a tunnel.

[Pete Whitehead]

Not to mention that the Northern boundary of Manchester was fixed where it is now many decades before that

www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/sheet/bc_reports_1917/Lancashire_1917