Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Oct 25, 2017 19:28:05 GMT
On what basis is it 'doing alright'?? It is an absurd name in the circumstances in that not only does it only cover a third or less of the East Riding UA but it is part of a larger county which has over 50 constituencies. If you can imagine any seat being called North Yorkshire, South Yorkshire or West Yorkshire you would appreciate what a crap name this is. It is almost literally crying out to be renamed as Bridlington, or perhaps, in the spirit of Eddisbury as Buckrose Oh, that's where Buckrose was. I've always wondered. Do you know why it was called that? The wapentake was originally Buck-cross. The first part might have the same origin as the Bug in Bugthorpe, which the prevailing theory suggests was a man's name. Many wapentake names are quite obscure, having being named after places and features that have either disappeared or whose names have changed. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 25, 2017 19:30:34 GMT
'Makerfield' -> Wigan South (and current Wigan of course to Wigan North) - there's no such place as 'Makerfield' alone as it is, I don't think anyone outside it could tell where it is based on the name as unlike Leigh nobody can say they live 'in Makerfield' as it isn't a town itself. To me, Leigh is the one that's completely unplaceable on a map, as the real Leigh is just west of Tonbridge. Or maybe on-Sea in Essex. At least Makerfield is obviously South Lancashire sprawl somewhere to people who are not from the North West of England. The real Leigh is presumably still living somewhere in the DC suburbs. I have, alas, lost touch with her.  |
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Post by Foggy on Oct 25, 2017 20:37:45 GMT
Yeah... still, 'Eddisbury' though. Winsford and Frodsham? Yes please, preferably. |
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Post by andrewteale on Oct 25, 2017 21:36:39 GMT
One reason the name "Eddisbury" has persisted is that including the name "Winsford" in any seat with that composition is pitchfork bait. |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Oct 26, 2017 1:43:20 GMT
I nominate 'West Cheshire' - accurate, comprehensive, references the name of the LA, and tells everyone where and what it is. An excellent bit of boundary-drawing by Adrian btw; I trust he will submit it. If you'll write in support. They listen to you! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 12:14:54 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 10, 2018 12:14:58 GMT
Final recommendations
Davenport and Cale Green ward moved from Stockport South and Cheadle to Bramhall and Wilmslow
Heatons North ward moved from Stockport North and Denton to Stockport West and Cheadle
Offerton ward moved from Hazel Grove and Wilmslow to Stockport East and Denton
Accrington renamed to Hyndburn
Ashton-under-Lyne renamed to Ashton-under-Lyne and Stalybridge
Bebington and Heswall renamed to Wirral West and Bebington
Failsworth and Droylsden renamed to Oldham South and Droylsden
Hazel Grove and Wilmslow renamed to Bramhall and Wilmslow
Oldham renamed to Oldham North
Stockport North and Denton renamed to Stockport East and Denton
Stockport South and Cheadle renamed to Stockport West and Cheadle
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 10, 2018 12:50:16 GMT
Accrington renamed to Hyndburn Disappointing. |
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 10, 2018 12:55:33 GMT
Labour will be extremely pleased with the Bolton boundaries. Looking at them I do not think it possible to get better boundaries from their perspective.
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Post by catking on Sept 10, 2018 13:33:29 GMT
Labour will be extremely pleased with the Bolton boundaries. Looking at them I do not think it possible to get better boundaries from their perspective.
Pretty much. Rumworth is the most heavily Labour ward that could be added into Bolton West and it flips it to being Labour by 2,500.
The original proposals, if they hadn't been revised, would have actually created quite an interesting contest in Farnworth, though back in 2016 when they came out it wasn't that obvious. The seat would have contained Pilkington Park, which is a very Jewish ward and now solidly Conservative. Given the big swings to the Tories in both Radcliffe North and Pilkington Park in May as well as Labour's abysmal results in Farnworth and Kearsley losing to independents, that seat could have been very tricky.
The revised proposals swapped Radcliffe East with Pilkington Park which makes Farnworth & Radcliffe unassailable for Labour.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 10, 2018 13:51:00 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west.
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Post by catking on Sept 10, 2018 13:52:43 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. It is absolutely absurd. It goes all the way from historical Yorkshire to the suburbs of Preston in central Lancs. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 14:03:08 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. "A59 corridor" would have been a much better name. Or a more telling one. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Sept 10, 2018 16:42:12 GMT
Though the name changes in Oldham make sense (sorry, Royton, but you really are part of Oldham), there are still some careless irksome names, as I've just realised 'Sale West' is now in Stretford and Urmston. But you awkwardly have Wythenshawe and Sale East left hanging without a west or any other Sale, making it worse than Worsley/Eccles S which at least has another Eccles. Either continue with the long name trend and do Stretford, Urmston and Sale East or Old Trafford.
Somehow although changes were minor I've only just noticed the somewhat snakey shapes of some of these areas, Oldham South and Droylsden and the Stockport seats. Not least of course my very own Prestwich and Middleton, where all the complaints were ignored. There really is only one road between P&M without going through B&B, and the other is the motorway.
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 10, 2018 18:13:01 GMT
Labour will be extremely pleased with the Bolton boundaries. Looking at them I do not think it possible to get better boundaries from their perspective.
Pretty much. Rumworth is the most heavily Labour ward that could be added into Bolton West and it flips it to being Labour by 2,500.
The original proposals, if they hadn't been revised, would have actually created quite an interesting contest in Farnworth, though back in 2016 when they came out it wasn't that obvious. The seat would have contained Pilkington Park, which is a very Jewish ward and now solidly Conservative. Given the big swings to the Tories in both Radcliffe North and Pilkington Park in May as well as Labour's abysmal results in Farnworth and Kearsley losing to independents, that seat could have been very tricky.
The revised proposals swapped Radcliffe East with Pilkington Park which makes Farnworth & Radcliffe unassailable for Labour.
That change was my counter-proposal, and I'm pleased it's in the final recommendations. |
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Post by lancastrian on Sept 10, 2018 18:38:02 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. It is absolutely absurd. It goes all the way from historical Yorkshire to the suburbs of Preston in central Lancs. It'd make more sense if it swapped the Preston suburbs for the rural wards around Clitheroe. If they were going for that arrangement they should have made the best Colne and Clitheroe seat they could, including all the ex-Yorkshire bits, and whatever leftovers end up in North Lancashire can't make it any worse. The rest of Lancashire looks fine, excluding the unavoidable Burnley town ward in Hyndburn. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 10, 2018 20:12:30 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. Nomination for the worst in England |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 10, 2018 21:11:34 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. Sadly it was difficult to avoid creating Pendle & Ribble Valley (alternative name: Clitheroe and Colne) given that Lancashire needed to lose a constituency and that so many neighbouring constituencies were undersized. |
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Post by catking on Sept 11, 2018 8:15:39 GMT
Though the name changes in Oldham make sense (sorry, Royton, but you really are part of Oldham), there are still some careless irksome names, as I've just realised 'Sale West' is now in Stretford and Urmston. But you awkwardly have Wythenshawe and Sale East left hanging without a west or any other Sale, making it worse than Worsley/Eccles S which at least has another Eccles. Either continue with the long name trend and do Stretford, Urmston and Sale East or Old Trafford. Somehow although changes were minor I've only just noticed the somewhat snakey shapes of some of these areas, Oldham South and Droylsden and the Stockport seats. Not least of course my very own Prestwich and Middleton, where all the complaints were ignored. There really is only one road between P&M without going through B&B, and the other is the motorway. Having driven along the one road (a bit charitable to call it a road, dirt track would be more accurate) that connects Prestwich with Middleton and the subsequent damage to my suspension, I can confirm that the connection between the two areas is tenuous at best. However, you're missing the point. These boundaries successfully split up the 4 more Tory wards in Bury South into 3 separate constituencies. A job well done. |
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Post by YL on Sept 11, 2018 8:24:51 GMT
I nominate 'Pendle and Ribble Valley' as the bonkersmost constituency in the north west. Sadly it was difficult to avoid creating Pendle & Ribble Valley (alternative name: Clitheroe and Colne) given that Lancashire needed to lose a constituency and that so many neighbouring constituencies were undersized. Some sort of merger of the Pendle and Ribble Valley constituencies made sense; sending the result all the way down the river to Preston didn't. At least they have resisted the "Morecambe is different from Lancaster so shouldn't share an MP. So let's create a constituency which includes Morecambe, the rural area to the north and east, and, oops, a bit of central Lancaster to make the numbers up" lobby. |
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