rocky
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Post by rocky on Jun 21, 2016 23:12:15 GMT
Adrian There's some common ground with the zombie review but, modesty aside, I think I've done better overall. (And I thought my Erdington was ugly, until I saw the zombie version...) Local knowledge dictates adding Castle Bromwich made a lot more sense than adding Perry Barr. The solution is either add Oscott and ward split Stockland green or break erdington into two different constituencies ( assuming not breaking Sutton Coldfield this time) |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 22, 2016 12:28:15 GMT
Staffordshire Staffordshire Moorlands 78211 Stoke-on-Trent North 72751 Stoke-on-Trent Central 71730 Stoke-on-Trent South 73842 (contains Stone) Newcastle-under-Lyme 74596 East Staffordshire 72542 Stafford 74593 South Staffordshire 75509 Cannock Chase 73470 Lichfield 74778 Tamworth 73305   |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jun 22, 2016 14:48:54 GMT
I think I prefer this version of the Stoke/Newcastle seats.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 22, 2016 21:35:43 GMT
Thank You Adrian
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 23, 2016 23:24:08 GMT
The problem in Shropshire is that Shropshire is perfect for 3 seats which can also follow the old boroughs as current
Oswestry + North Shropshire
Shrewsbury & Atcham
Bridgnorth + South Shropshire
But unfortunately Telford & Wrekin 1.59 quotas ruin it all. If it just bordered somewhere other than Staffordshire the only West Midlands County that is in quota
And Telford & Wrekin + Staffordshire = 12.49 quotas which is impossible
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 0:01:12 GMT
Warwickshire & Coventry Stratford-on-Avon 78370 Warwick 77569 Rugby 76575 Nuneaton 76385 North Warwickshire 74124 Coventry North 77745 Coventry East 73304 Coventry South & Kenilworth 77275  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 1:45:48 GMT
I give you... West Midlands without Coventry (Birmingham, Dudley, Sandwell, Solihull, Walsall & Wolverhampton) WITHOUT ANY WARD SPLITS!!!!! Meriden 77342 Solihull 74877 Birmingham Hodge Hill 71261 Birmingham Yardley 73108 Birmingham Springfield 71357 Birmingham Sparkbrook 72783 Birmingham Edgbaston 76801 Birmingham Northfield 71729 Birmingham Ladywood 75875 Birmingham Erdington 77920 Sutton Coldfield 73172 West Bromwich 72858 Smethwick 76859 Halesowen & Rowley Regis 78479 Stourbridge 78320 Dudley South 77748 Dudley North 77914 Wolverhampton West 75031 Wolverhampton East 77161 Walsall West 74015 Walsall North 73930 Walsall East 74198  |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 2:00:40 GMT
Herefordshire, Shropshire & Worcestershire North Shropshire 77768 Shrewsbury & Atcham 77838 Telford 76556 Bridgnorth & The Wrekin 77961 Ludlow & Leominster 78409 Herefordshire 77042 Malvern Hills 73333 Worcester 72030 Wychavon 72709 Wyre Forest 78355 Bromsgrove 72302 Redditch 73160  |
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Adrian
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Post by Adrian on Jun 24, 2016 3:53:22 GMT
I think you may have trouble selling Kingswinford & Tividale.
Edit: Oh and I've just noticed the nibbling at the top of Sandwell. I'm sure someone's done a plan for Walsall-Wolverhampton (with Oscott) that's not so disruptive.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 3:56:38 GMT
It took me 9 hours work to do the west midlands without ward split as it was simply so extraordinarily hard
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Post by Andrew_S on Jun 24, 2016 4:01:21 GMT
It took me 9 hours work to do the west midlands without ward split as it was simply so extraordinarily hard Sorry to change the subject — what do you think of the referendum result? |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 4:03:11 GMT
Talk about that on the referendum thread
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Post by islington on Jun 24, 2016 7:38:20 GMT
It took me 9 hours work to do the west midlands without ward split as it was simply so extraordinarily hard ASV - I'm not sure anyone will be listening because we have some small political developments over here that my preoccupy everyone's attention, but I'd like to say: Wow. I for one had concluded that this was impossible, but you've done it. There are all sorts of reasons I'm not going to adopt it - e.g. three-borough seats all over the place, the Ladywood and Dudley S seats - but that doesn't alter my admiration for your achievement. Congratulations. |
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 8:45:26 GMT
Well I needed something to do while watching BBC Referendum night and it was the perfect day for the referendum as today is the last day of Term 2 here (remember our sensible school year is 4 terms 10 weeks each, 4 3 week holidays and a school year is Jan - Dec) so there was no work whatsoever
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 11:49:31 GMT
Is no one impressed that I managed the WEST MIDLANDS without ANY ward splits?
Because I personally think that, although a few seats are ghastly, horrid and pure pitchfork bait, it is still an achievement
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Post by islington on Jun 24, 2016 12:28:03 GMT
ASV -
I am deeply impressed.
And I said so - see just upthread.
Well done.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jun 24, 2016 12:29:53 GMT
Thank you islington, you are so kind.
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 5, 2016 9:24:29 GMT
Time for me to start posting my own thoughts, having spent months having them on my own.
On the great Birmingham debate, as a Birmingham resident I am adamant that we should have 9 seats within the city boundary. The old wards will be gone in a few months, so there is little point in honouring them. However the ward splits proposed should follow the proposed/likely new boundaries, and clear community divides. As pointed out above, theoretically you can do Birmingham with 3 splits (1 x 5, 2 x 4, 6 x 4.5). However I have gone for 4 as follows:
Sutton Coldfield - 4 wards no change
Erdington - add Oscott, minus the area of Perry Beeches north of the M6, which the residents are adamant they want to go back into Perry Barr.
Perry Barr - adds Aston, which reunites Aston with Lozells, and deals with the Witton anomaly. However Perry Beeches isn't enough to take this over the minimum, so we split the irrational Nechells ward (separated by the deep gash of the Rea Valley), with Nechells proper (and Highgate) going with Aston into Perry Barr. Edgbaston - the only 5 ward seat that's possible includes Edgbaston & Ladywood. Add Soho, Harborne & Quinton.
You need a split in South Birmingham, and I would propose Kings Norton as the ward to split. The west side (West Heath) goes into Northfield. The east side (Kings Norton proper and Hawkesley) goes into Selly Oak. This reflects new wards.
Northfield - Longbridge, Northfield, Weoley, Bartley Green (back where it belongs), West Heath Selly Oak - Selly Oak, Bournville, Brandwood, Billesley, Kings Norton proper.
Hall Green (much as I dislike the seat) is the second unaltered 4 ward seat. Sparkbrook, Springfield, Moseley, Hall Green
That leaves the 8.5 wards of Yardley, Hodge Hill, and Nechells east of the Rea Valley. South Yardley ward is an abortion, but unfortunately splitting it doesn't solve the problem. I suggest splitting Shard End along the wide valley of the river Cole, again following proposed new ward splits, with Shard End proper staying in Hodge Hill, and Kitts Green/Glebe Farm joining neighbouring Stechford in the Yardley seat.
Hodge Hill - Hodge Hill, Washwood Heath, Bordesley Green, Small Heath west & Bordesley, Shard End proper. Yardley - Sheldon, Stechford, South Yardley, Acocks Green, Kitts Green
These proposals involve relatively little change from existing seats. They also allow the 2 bits of South Yardley that don't belong to go back to their proper places without breaching the numeric constraints, which I will propose to the Commission and be ignored. The area round Small Heath park can go to Hodge Hill reuniting Small Heath, which has been seriously badly done by under present arrangements. And Greet, off the Warwick Road on the wrong side of the Chiltern line and the Grand Union canal can go back to Sparkhill where it belongs.
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 5, 2016 9:35:24 GMT
Coventry, Warwickshire & Solihull. I have read with interest some of the proposals here. I concluded that it was impossible to make sensible seats without crossing the Solihull border. However I really don't want to split Solihull proper. You can split a ward in Coventry, but you don't have to. You really don't want to split Bedworth, Nuneaton, Rugby, Kenilworth or Warwick/Leamington.
My suggestion is to add Meriden ward to North Warwickshire. North warwickshire loses Exhall ward to Coventry NW. Nuneaton then extends to take in the northern rural wards of Rugby District (just fits), and Rugby extends south into Southam. Unfortunately my Coventry South seat I can't get the whole of Kenilworth into, however I jiggle the Coventry wards, so Park Hill (and Stoneleigh) have to go into Warwick/Leamington unless you split a ward. The Warwick and Stratford seats are kept below maximum size by moving the Arden wards into Meriden, which now needs a new name (Arden looks like a good short one). Solihull is unchanged.
(Since I'm neither using Boundary Assistant, nor do I have a dropbox I can't post maps) |
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Post by John Chanin on Jul 5, 2016 10:11:14 GMT
Black Country. This looks neat and tidy with 88 wards going into 11 seats. However as everyone has found out the Dudley wards are exactly the wrong size. If you could get two 7 ward seats out of Dudley it would be easy (there's 1 inescapable 9 ward seat in Wolverhampton, and a 9 ward seat in Sandwell would make life much easier, as Sandwell's 24 wards give 3 seats of only 71,800 average, which gives little flexibility). There are two 7 ward possibilities, one based on Stourbridge and one based on Dudley Town. However you can't have both of them as it leaves Brockmoor & Pensnett as an orphan ward. Obviously you can split a Dudley ward (the obvious one is Wollescote & Cradley). However I have found a non-split solution, although it isn't terribly pretty:
Halesowen & Stourbridge - the 4 Stourbridge wards, Cradley & Wollescote, Halesowen excluding North. (8 wards) Dudley & Kingswinford - the 3 Dudley town wards, the 2 Kingswinford wards, Brockmoor & Gornal connecting them (7 wards) Dudley S & Rowley Regis - Wordsley, Amblecote, Brierley Hill, Netherton, Quarry Bank from Dudley, plus Rowley, Tividale & Langley from Sandwell. It's a snake - others have come up with something similar, but it is unavoidable unless you split wards. Warley & Cradley Heath - The 5 existing Smethwick wards of Abbey, Soho, Smethwick, Warley & Bristnall, plus Blackheath & Cradley Heath, and Halesowen North. Tipton & Oldbury - the 2 Tipton wards, the 2 Wednesbury wards, Oldbury, Great Bridge, Greets Green, St Pauls. Not ideal as St Pauls is an integral part of Smethwick (the zombie review also found it necessary to remove it northwards), and Greets Green of West Bromwich. West Bromwich - the 4 remaining West Bromwich wards, plus the 2 Great Barr wards, plus Pheasey & Streetly from Walsall. Walsall South - the 2 Aldridge wards & Rushall from the existing Aldridge seat plus the 4 core Walsall wards (Paddock, Pleck, Palfrey & St Matthews), plus Blakenall. Walsall North - Bloxwich, Birchills-Leamore, Pelsall & Brownhills east of the M6, plus Willenhall N and Short Heath from the existing seat W of the M6, plus Wednesfield North from Wolverhampton (unfortunate but I can't find another arrangement that works) Bilston & Darlaston - the 3 Walsall wards of Darlaston S & N and Willenhall S, the 5 Wolverhampton wards of Bilston E & N, Heath Town, East Park and Wednesfield S. (Last time I produced a wonderful "Black Country Central" seat linking Bilston, Darlaston, Tipton, and Coseley......) Wolverhampton North (the 9 ward seat) with 5 wards from SW and 4 from NE (Tettenhall, Bushbury etc) Wolverhampton S & Coseley - the 5 remaining Wolverhampton wards (Penn, Graiseley, Blakenhall, Ettingshall, Spring Vale) plus the Dudley wards of Coseley E, Upper Gornal & Sedgley.
Keeping Sandwell together in 3 slightly dubiously shaped seats, and splitting a Dudley ward would seem to be the alternative, although there may be other arrangements in Walsall as well. |
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