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Post by AdminSTB on Sept 13, 2016 0:25:47 GMT
I thank Sibboleth for his highly amusing running commentary. Like Wogan at Eurovision. |
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Post by mrhell on Sept 13, 2016 0:35:06 GMT
My God. The new Blaydon crosses the Tyne to take in Newburn and large tracts of West Newcastle. It's like the old Tyne Bridge constituency. Perhaps it should be Tyne Bridge But Wester. Another great one is that Wingrove is separated from almost all of the rest of Newcastle East (bar its border with Westgate) by the Newcastle Town Moor. I crossed over the Town Moor today from my home in North Jesmond (still in East) to deliver some leaflets for the Blakelaw by-election. It takes 20 minutes and then you've got the footbridge over the A167. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 13, 2016 0:40:27 GMT
WTF have they done to Middlesborough?!?!
It's pretty clear which regional team have been on mind altering substances. Completely insane seats everywhere.
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2016 0:49:22 GMT
WTF have they done to Middlesborough?!?! It's pretty clear which regional team have been on mind altering substances. Completely insane seats everywhere. Or maybe it was just a case of Computer Says Yes.  |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2016 0:51:18 GMT
I thank Sibboleth for his highly amusing running commentary. Like Wogan at Eurovision. Yes, I think it's compulsory to drink at least 3 bottles of whisky before looking at these reviews. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2016 0:55:08 GMT
Berwick & Ashington? Has to be a joke? No... it's real. jfc. "It's no joke" — the motto of the Boundary Commission. |
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Post by erimus58 on Sept 13, 2016 0:56:00 GMT
Ahem - Middlesbrough!!!
And I agree, totally unbelievable. Linking Redcar with Middlesbrough is just wrong. There are vast tracks of industry separating the two areas and the area south of Redcar (Saltburn, Brotton, Loftus etc) look more to Redcar than they do to Marton, Ormesby & South Middlesbrough areas. Just so wrong in so many ways.
I take it minimal change means something these days.
Edit - even worse is North part of Middlesbrough with the east of Stockton, managing to split two very coherent areas with one seat.
Why not three seats south of the Tees???
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Post by jamie on Sept 13, 2016 0:57:07 GMT
A selection of issues I've found (it's not comprehensive):
Middlesbrough (just make it Redcar town and Cleveland!)
Hartlepool takes in most of Billingham but loses northern Hartlepool
Billingham split
Barnard Castle split
Durham City taking in part of Sunderland LA
Everything to do with Washington, I can't even describe it..
Chester-le-Street including Lamesley but not Birtley (the latter is actually contiguous)
Barnard Castle and Winlaton + High aspen in the same seat
5 seat butchering of Gateshead
Winlaton and Blaydon being separate seats despite being one urban area
Winlaton + High Spen and Chopwell + Rowlands Gill being separate from Crawcrook + Greenside and Ryton, Crookhill + Stella. These villages are all heavily linked.
Dunston Hill and Dunston being in different seats
Ponteland split
Berwick and Ashington, period.
And finally, Tyne Bridge. I'd understand central Gateshead + central Newcastle but why western Gateshead? What links are between these 2 separate sides of the Tyne? Central Newcastle is the only part of Newcastle that has any real links with anywhere in the Gateshead Council area.
Overall, what the hell?!
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Post by La Fontaine on Sept 13, 2016 1:05:25 GMT
They have split Ponteland (a great bone of contention last time), they have split Blaydon from Winlaton (they are the same place), the West Durham is what caused the most contention last time, they have split Hartlepool, Ashington & Berwick is .......!!!, etc. It will meet the same fate as last time's initial proposals. Bring back Tyne Bridge!
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Post by Adrian on Sept 13, 2016 1:16:56 GMT
NE Proposals map: s3.helpfulclients.com/bce/North-East-Initial-proposals-regional-map.pdfAfter looking at E Mids (okay) and N West (okayish), the N East map is a doosie. I started at the top and my eyes just bulged more and more till they popped out of my head and they're currently resting on top of my typing hands. Two words: work experience. This map was drawn by a 14-year-old from a Tower Hamlets comprehensive or I'll buy you all a pint. |
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mondialito
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Post by mondialito on Sept 13, 2016 1:22:42 GMT
NE Proposals map: s3.helpfulclients.com/bce/North-East-Initial-proposals-regional-map.pdfAfter looking at E Mids (okay) and N West (okayish), the N East map is a doosie. I started at the top and my eyes just bulged more and more till they popped out of my head and they're currently resting on top of my typing hands. Two words: work experience. This map was drawn by a 14-year-old from a Tower Hamlets comprehensive or I'll buy you all a pint. Posts like yours are the reason why I only create fantasy constituencies for Greater London. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 13, 2016 1:42:59 GMT
NE Proposals map: s3.helpfulclients.com/bce/North-East-Initial-proposals-regional-map.pdfAfter looking at E Mids (okay) and N West (okayish), the N East map is a doosie. I started at the top and my eyes just bulged more and more till they popped out of my head and they're currently resting on top of my typing hands. Two words: work experience. This map was drawn by a 14-year-old from a Tower Hamlets comprehensive or I'll buy you all a pint. Or a computer being run by a graduate law student. |
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 13, 2016 1:52:02 GMT
Putting just Barnard Castle West in with consett and chopwell is real pitchfork bait. I thought Consett and Barnard Castle last time was bad.
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 13, 2016 1:53:38 GMT
A selection of issues I've found (it's not comprehensive): Middlesbrough (just make it Redcar town and Cleveland!) Hartlepool takes in most of Billingham but loses northern Hartlepool Billingham split Barnard Castle split Durham City taking in part of Sunderland LA Everything to do with Washington, I can't even describe it.. Chester-le-Street including Lamesley but not Birtley (the latter is actually contiguous) Barnard Castle and Winlaton + High aspen in the same seat 5 seat butchering of Gateshead Winlaton and Blaydon being separate seats despite being one urban area Winlaton + High Spen and Chopwell + Rowlands Gill being separate from Crawcrook + Greenside and Ryton, Crookhill + Stella. These villages are all heavily linked. Dunston Hill and Dunston being in different seats Ponteland split Berwick and Ashington, period. And finally, Tyne Bridge. I'd understand central Gateshead + central Newcastle but why western Gateshead? What links are between these 2 separate sides of the Tyne? Central Newcastle is the only part of Newcastle that has any real links with anywhere in the Gateshead Council area. Overall, what the hell?! There will be lots of challenges to this. The more I look at these proposals, the less I understand how they came up with them. |
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Post by thirdchill on Sept 13, 2016 2:07:38 GMT
West Durham & Teesdale is remarkable. Chopwell area to Barnard Castle (although not all of it! Only the B.C. West ward is included). Main town Consett, also includes Crook. Willington is included in Bishop Auckland. Tow Law is in Durham City. A straight swap of Barnard Castle West (to go into Bishop Auckland) for Willington and Hunwick (to go into West Durham) would be the best way initially to sort that problem out. The ward sizes of those two are pretty much the same. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 13, 2016 5:56:08 GMT
There will be lots of challenges to this. The more I look at these proposals, the less I understand how they came up with them.  |
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Post by afleitch on Sept 13, 2016 6:11:25 GMT
F-ck on the Tyne?
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Post by La Fontaine on Sept 13, 2016 6:58:44 GMT
It's been done by people who no only have no party political experience, but seem to have no general political or local knowledge. Birtley town is split. Barnard Castle is split. The obvious link between Cleveland & County Durham along the A177 is ignored and Hartlepool needlessly split instead. And so on.
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YL
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Post by YL on Sept 13, 2016 7:12:56 GMT
Why has this region ended up with such a mess? There isn't even the excuse of big wards like there is round Sheffield and Birmingham.
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jamie
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Post by jamie on Sept 13, 2016 10:00:26 GMT
YL My first impressions on why is ended so bad: They refused to change North Tyneside and Tynemouth, which had knock-on effects for Wansbeck area, Berwick constituency and Hexham constituency. They refused to break Northumberland/Durham boundary. This meant both sides of the Tyne were out of quota range, causing Tyne Bridge and dodgy constituencies. They seems to have viewed a lot of actual big towns as just building blocks to make surrounding seats add up, see Gateshead and Washington LA's. Seemed desperate to keep Sunderland Central unchanged, so had less flexibility nearby. Minimum change in Teeside meant they got rural/urban and Redcar/Middlesbrough seats. Absolutely no idea of local place names/locations eg; 'Middlesbrough West and Stockton East', um you mean 'Middlesbrough West and Thornaby'.
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