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Post by islington on Jun 25, 2016 19:03:11 GMT
Continuing the tour of Scotland - SC-I (N Lanarks, S Lanarks, D&G): 606971 = 8.12 = 8AIRDRIE AND CUMBERNAULD - 74961. The seat contains most of the town of Airdrie (and is named after it) but unfortunately, not Airdrie S ward (although it should be noted that the ward includes the large separate town of Chapelhall as well as the southern suburbs of Airdrie itself). COATBRIDGE - 74263. Not dissimilar to the existing seat; I've simplified the name. DUMFRIES AND GALLOWAY - 73875. The boundary in the Dumfries area looks strange on the map but it is more reasonable on the ground and it means the seat includes the whole town of Dumfries. EAST KILBRIDE - 74291. This contains the great majority of the town but unfortunately some eastern suburbs are omitted (in the zombie the BCS proposed something not dissimilar, except that it was some western suburbs that were left out). LANARK AND ANNAN - 75837. This is the seat combining parts of S Lanarks and D&G (and only those two areas, which means that I've been able to comply with the BCS's self-imposed rule of avoiding 3-area seats - which is more than the BCS can say). MOTHERWELL AND HAMILTON - 77115. This is a novel pairing, but the only way I could find of keeping both these towns undivided was to unite them in one seat. This may be controversial, although I feel it's actually a very neat solution. RUTHERGLEN - 78503. The largest electorate in the whole UK, only 4 short of the legal maximum. This keeps both Rutherglen and Cambuslang united (some other plans divide Cambuslang); it also takes in the stray eastern parts of E Kilbride. WISHAW - 78126. This is admittedly not a pretty seat; it consists of the bits of central Lanarkshire (including the southern suburbs of Airdrie) that are left over once Motherwell and Hamilton have been placed in the same seat. I considered calling it 'Mid [or 'Central'] Lanarkshire' but 'Wishaw' has history as part of a constituency name and is as central as anywhere in a somewhat meandering seat.
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Post by islington on Jun 26, 2016 10:06:44 GMT
I've no doubt everyone's attention is elsewhere (and very reasonably), but having come so far, I am ploughing on to the end. Let me conclude Scotland. SC-J (Edinburgh, W Lothian): 456507 = 6.11 = 6Edinburgh (4.40) needs to be paired and given that E Lothian can stand by itself and Midlothian can partner Borders for 2 seats, the linking with W Lothian is a natural one. But the actual boundaries gave me more trouble than almost anywhere else in the country. Edinburgh consists of 17 wards of almost Glaswegian proportions; W Lothian has 9, somewhat smaller although still large by most standards. So we have 26 wards for 6 seats. I don't think a 3-ward seat is feasible in Edinburgh, or a 6-ward seat in W Lothian, so that means that if ward splits are to be avoided, it has to be two seats of 5 wards (consisting of the 9 WL wards plus one from Edinburgh) and four seats of 4 wards (the remaining 16 wards of Edinburgh). Two Edinburgh wards border on WL, so the obvious way to do this is to link WL with the larger of these (Almond), which gives us: WL + Almond = 147904 = 1.98 = 2; and the rest of Edinburgh = 308603 = 4.13 = 4. Encouragingly (or so I thought), WL + Almond divides beautifully into two; and surely (I fondly imagined), the remaining 16 wards, although on the large side for four seats, would yield some workable combination. Well, maybe they do. But if so, I failed to find it. In the end I was reduced to trying something apparently crazy: increasing the size imbalance still further by linking WL with the smaller of the two bordering wards (Pentland Hills) instead. This gives: WL + Pentland = 144818 = 1.94; rest of Edinburgh = 311689 = 4.17. It's a sign of desperation that I even considered this; surely (especially at the Edinburgh end) it could never work. But amazingly, it did. EDINBURGH CENTRAL - 78260. Now, I know this doesn't look good on the map. And I know that in at least one case (E Duns), I rejected a seat on this ground despite local advice to the contrary. But this is a different case, because this seat makes much more sense on the ground than might be imagined from its (frankly) eccentric appearance. Three of the wards (Centre, Meadows and Southside) work together perfectly well; what makes the seat look strange is the fourth ward, Sighthill/Gorgie, which forms a long spur to the west. But there is a good reason for this ward's elongated shape - it follows the A70 / A71, one of the city's main arteries, and this road runs the whole length of the ward and connects directly with the city centre at the eastern end. So if you get past the shape on the map to look at the street pattern beneath, I'd argue that this is a perfectly workable combination. EDINBURGH NORTH - 78096 EDINBURGH SOUTH - 77044. Another seat with something of a spur, but much less dramatic than that of Edinburgh C. EDINBURGH WEST - 78289. This is a perfectly reasonable seat although there might be a case for calling it 'NW' rather than just 'W'. It will be noted how all the Edinburgh seats are well above average size: one of 77000 and the other three all above 78000. LINLITHGOW - 73770. Linking WL with Pentland ward also, of course, completely wrecks the nice division that can be achieved if it is linked with Almond. The arrangement set out here is the only legal one I can find. This is an awkward seat in itself; moreover, it includes substantial eastern parts of Livingston New Town. LIVINGSTON - 71048. This includes the main part of the New Town and the original Livingston village; the boundary separating it from its eastern suburbs is at least a clean one, following the A899 dual carriageway. Note that this is the smallest seat in mainland GB, only 17 above the legal minimum. SC-K (E Lothian): 76153 = 1.02 = 1Absolutely nothing to see here. EAST LOTHIAN - 76153 SC-L (Midlothian, Borders): 150636 = 2.01 = 2I've added Galashiels ward to Midlothian. This seems the most natural, but it does take rather a bite out of the Borders seat. The other possibility is Tweeddale West, which results in a better Borders seat but would add Peebles to the list of unoffending towns that are severed from part of their suburbs. MIDLOTHIAN AND GALASHIELS - 75256 SCOTTISH BORDERS - 75380 And just for the sake of completeness, let me add the protected island areas. SC-M (Orkney, Shetland): 33229 = 0.44 = 1ORKNEY AND SHETLAND - 33229 SC-N (Na h-Eileanan an Iar): 20887 = 0.28 = 1NA H-EILEANAN AN IAR - 20887
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Post by islington on Jul 11, 2016 21:21:38 GMT
Continuing with Scotland ... SC-B (Aberdeenshire, Angus, Dundee): 382204 = 5.11 = 5BANFF AND BUCHAN - 77582. My thanks to AJT for this one. DUNDEE - 77612. Two wards of the city need to be excluded from this seat; it seems logical to take the two most inland. FORFAR - 76693 GORDON AND DEESIDE - 73365. Thanks again, AJT. KINCARDINE AND ARBROATH - 76952. I'm happy with this seat, which (unlike some plans) keeps the town of Arbroath together. I'm very happy with the boundaries I posted above (and I reiterate my thanks to AJT), but in view of the proliferation of potential 'Deeside' seats (as discussed elsewhere) I'm wondering whether 'Gordon and Mar' (or 'and Marr') might be a better name.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 12, 2016 12:57:47 GMT
The Zombie review reduced Glasgow from 7 seats to 6.
I would love to see the Glasgow constituencies having names, not compass points.
I think that compass points only work well in cities with 4 or fewer constituencies.
I would proposed names, but different names to the Scottish parliament, assuming Glasgow North East disappears.
Glasgow Ballieston (East) Glasgow Central (Central) Glasgow Govan (South West) Glasgow Hillhead (North) Glasgow Langside (South) Glasgow Scotstoun (North West)
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Post by Foggy on Jul 13, 2016 0:40:27 GMT
I would love to see the Glasgow constituencies having names, not compass points. I think that compass points only work well in cities with 4 or fewer constituencies. I am inclined to agree, but in Scotland there is the added complication that Westminster constituencies are – where possible – not supposed to have the same names as Holyrood seats. There is, however, no reason that the Scottish Parliament could not revert to using compass points for Glasgow at its next review, or otherwise just use the names of different suburbs from those used for the Commons seats (assuming a successful IndyRef2 doesn't happen, of course).
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Post by Dalek on Jul 15, 2016 12:45:51 GMT
A bit annoying we don't have ward Parliamentary electorate stats. It would be interesting if the Boundary Assistant website had notional results for every ward for both 2010 and 2015 and you could get the total 2010 or 2015 notional for any assembled constituency.
My reason for 2010 as well as 2015 is that you could also consider any Lib Dem revival or Scottish Labour revival.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 15, 2016 12:59:16 GMT
One of the most interesting things is how Glasgow (like Manchester and Liverpool) retained its 1948 boundaries in 1974 while Edinburgh absorbed its affluent suburbs that had previously been in Midlothian.
If Glasgow had been expanded like Edinburgh most of what is now East Dunbartonshire and East Renfrewshire would have been annexed by the City of Glasgow in 1974.
If Edinburgh has retained its old boundaries in 1974 its likely that much of what is now the Almond, Pentland Hills, Colington/ Fairmilehead and Liberton/ Gilmerton wards would have formed a suburban district council within the new Lothian Region like Bearsden & Milngavie or Eastwood around Glasgow.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 15, 2016 13:06:01 GMT
I've no doubt everyone's attention is elsewhere (and very reasonably), but having come so far, I am ploughing on to the end. Let me conclude Scotland. SC-J (Edinburgh, W Lothian): 456507 = 6.11 = 6Edinburgh (4.40) needs to be paired and given that E Lothian can stand by itself and Midlothian can partner Borders for 2 seats, the linking with W Lothian is a natural one. But the actual boundaries gave me more trouble than almost anywhere else in the country. Edinburgh consists of 17 wards of almost Glaswegian proportions; W Lothian has 9, somewhat smaller although still large by most standards. So we have 26 wards for 6 seats. I don't think a 3-ward seat is feasible in Edinburgh, or a 6-ward seat in W Lothian, so that means that if ward splits are to be avoided, it has to be two seats of 5 wards (consisting of the 9 WL wards plus one from Edinburgh) and four seats of 4 wards (the remaining 16 wards of Edinburgh). Two Edinburgh wards border on WL, so the obvious way to do this is to link WL with the larger of these (Almond), which gives us: WL + Almond = 147904 = 1.98 = 2; and the rest of Edinburgh = 308603 = 4.13 = 4. Encouragingly (or so I thought), WL + Almond divides beautifully into two; and surely (I fondly imagined), the remaining 16 wards, although on the large side for four seats, would yield some workable combination. Well, maybe they do. But if so, I failed to find it. In the end I was reduced to trying something apparently crazy: increasing the size imbalance still further by linking WL with the smaller of the two bordering wards (Pentland Hills) instead. This gives: WL + Pentland = 144818 = 1.94; rest of Edinburgh = 311689 = 4.17. It's a sign of desperation that I even considered this; surely (especially at the Edinburgh end) it could never work. But amazingly, it did. EDINBURGH CENTRAL - 78260. Now, I know this doesn't look good on the map. And I know that in at least one case (E Duns), I rejected a seat on this ground despite local advice to the contrary. But this is a different case, because this seat makes much more sense on the ground than might be imagined from its (frankly) eccentric appearance. Three of the wards (Centre, Meadows and Southside) work together perfectly well; what makes the seat look strange is the fourth ward, Sighthill/Gorgie, which forms a long spur to the west. But there is a good reason for this ward's elongated shape - it follows the A70 / A71, one of the city's main arteries, and this road runs the whole length of the ward and connects directly with the city centre at the eastern end. So if you get past the shape on the map to look at the street pattern beneath, I'd argue that this is a perfectly workable combination. EDINBURGH NORTH - 78096 EDINBURGH SOUTH - 77044. Another seat with something of a spur, but much less dramatic than that of Edinburgh C. EDINBURGH WEST - 78289. This is a perfectly reasonable seat although there might be a case for calling it 'NW' rather than just 'W'. It will be noted how all the Edinburgh seats are well above average size: one of 77000 and the other three all above 78000. LINLITHGOW - 73770. Linking WL with Pentland ward also, of course, completely wrecks the nice division that can be achieved if it is linked with Almond. The arrangement set out here is the only legal one I can find. This is an awkward seat in itself; moreover, it includes substantial eastern parts of Livingston New Town. LIVINGSTON - 71048. This includes the main part of the New Town and the original Livingston village; the boundary separating it from its eastern suburbs is at least a clean one, following the A899 dual carriageway. Note that this is the smallest seat in mainland GB, only 17 above the legal minimum. SC-K (E Lothian): 76153 = 1.02 = 1Absolutely nothing to see here. EAST LOTHIAN - 76153 SC-L (Midlothian, Borders): 150636 = 2.01 = 2I've added Galashiels ward to Midlothian. This seems the most natural, but it does take rather a bite out of the Borders seat. The other possibility is Tweeddale West, which results in a better Borders seat but would add Peebles to the list of unoffending towns that are severed from part of their suburbs. MIDLOTHIAN AND GALASHIELS - 75256 SCOTTISH BORDERS - 75380 And just for the sake of completeness, let me add the protected island areas. SC-M (Orkney, Shetland): 33229 = 0.44 = 1ORKNEY AND SHETLAND - 33229 SC-N (Na h-Eileanan an Iar): 20887 = 0.28 = 1NA H-EILEANAN AN IAR - 20887 I think that the City Centre Ward of Edinburgh is also likely to twinned with Leith and you could end up with a Edinburgh Central constituency that did not include the City Centre Ward - it would just be a central constituency surrounded by other Edinburgh constituencies like Newcastle Central from 1983 t 1997 (which was really the old Newcastle North as Newcastle Central was combined with Gateshead West to form Tyne Bridge).
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Post by greenhert on Jul 15, 2016 13:16:33 GMT
The Zombie review reduced Glasgow from 7 seats to 6. I would love to see the Glasgow constituencies having names, not compass points. I think that compass points only work well in cities with 4 or fewer constituencies.I would proposed names, but different names to the Scottish parliament, assuming Glasgow North East disappears. Glasgow Ballieston (East) Glasgow Central (Central) Glasgow Govan (South West) Glasgow Hillhead (North) Glasgow Langside (South) Glasgow Scotstoun (North West) That rule is not uniformly followed by the boundary commission and never really has been-Plymouth's constituencies are not named for compass points but Leeds' are.
If the non-compass point rule was universally followed, I believe that (for example): Bristol North West would be named Bristol Avonmouth. Bristol West would be named Bristol Clifton. Bristol East would be named Bristol St George. Bristol South would be named Bristol Woodside. Cardiff West would be named Cardiff Taffside. Cardiff North would be named Cardiff Llanishen. Cardiff Central would be named Cardiff Cathays. Cardiff South & Penarth would be named Cardiff Docklands & Penarth. York Outer & York Central would simply revert to the old names of Vale of York and City of York.
Conversely, if the compass point rule was universal, I believe that (for example): Plymouth Moor View and Sutton & Devonport would simply be Plymouth North and Plymouth South. Liverpool Walton, West Derby, Riverside, Wavertree, and Garston & Halewood would be Liverpool North West, Liverpool North East, Liverpool West, Liverpool East, and Liverpool South & Halewood respectively.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 15, 2016 18:11:40 GMT
Edinburgh Constituency Names Based on Current -
Edinburgh Collington (South West) Edingurgh Corstorphine (West) Edinburgh Leith (North + Leith) Edinburgh Morningside (South) Edinburgh Portobello (East)
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Post by Foggy on Jul 16, 2016 0:07:16 GMT
The Zombie review reduced Glasgow from 7 seats to 6. I would love to see the Glasgow constituencies having names, not compass points. I think that compass points only work well in cities with 4 or fewer constituencies.I would proposed names, but different names to the Scottish parliament, assuming Glasgow North East disappears. Glasgow Ballieston (East) Glasgow Central (Central) Glasgow Govan (South West) Glasgow Hillhead (North) Glasgow Langside (South) Glasgow Scotstoun (North West) That rule is not uniformly followed by the boundary commission and never really has been-Plymouth's constituencies are not named for compass points but Leeds' are.
If the non-compass point rule was universally followed, I believe that (for example): Bristol North West would be named Bristol Avonmouth. Bristol West would be named Bristol Clifton. Bristol East would be named Bristol St George. Bristol South would be named Bristol Woodside. Cardiff West would be named Cardiff Taffside. Cardiff North would be named Cardiff Llanishen. Cardiff Central would be named Cardiff Cathays. Cardiff South & Penarth would be named Cardiff Docklands & Penarth. York Outer & York Central would simply revert to the old names of Vale of York and City of York.
Conversely, if the compass point rule was universal, I believe that (for example): Plymouth Moor View and Sutton & Devonport would simply be Plymouth North and Plymouth South. Liverpool Walton, West Derby, Riverside, Wavertree, and Garston & Halewood would be Liverpool North West, Liverpool North East, Liverpool West, Liverpool East, and Liverpool South & Halewood respectively.
I would like the name Liverpool Riverside to be retained, but I'm ambivalent about the rest, as I'm not sure that a universal rule can be applied here. I don't like it when a city or large town with only two seats has constituencies named after random suburbs or landmarks, though. If anything, Bristol East is the seat that faces towards the woods. Bristol South has a ward called Southville, so you could still get away with effectively naming it after a compass direction after all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 8:29:08 GMT
Read the publications from the BCE at the time to understand how York's seats were named. Nobody could agree on the names.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 16, 2016 16:53:02 GMT
I don't see why the name Vale of York could not have been retained for York Outer. I also don't disagree with changing the name of The City of York to York Central. It only became The City of York in having previously been York. What was also odd was it was renamed The City of York in 1997 when the extended city boundaries had already been established.
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Post by andrewteale on Jul 16, 2016 21:02:53 GMT
York Outer was too different from Vale of York to have inherited the name. The heartland of the old Vale of York seat was around Thirsk, and only a third of it ended up in York Outer.
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Post by islington on Jul 17, 2016 10:10:31 GMT
Why we're discussing this on the Scotland thread I've no idea, but I think 'Vale of York' is a perfectly good name for this seat and it's what I've recommended (with the other seat simply as 'York' - no 'Inner' or 'City of' or any of that, just 'York' tout court).
Apart from (obviously) not including York itself, the seat is actually a very good fit for the Vale of York if you take the narrower definition of the Vale, i.e. if you regard the area to the north around Northallerton and Thirsk as a separate area (sometimes called the Vale of Mowbray).
The existence of an historic Vale of York seat, with different boundaries, is neither here nor there.
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Post by Dalek on Jul 19, 2016 12:48:12 GMT
I like the Edinburgh constituencies.
Twinning Liberton/ Gilmerton with a Lothian constituency rather than Almond or Pentland Hills seems to create more logical Edinburgh constituencies.
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 21, 2016 3:42:55 GMT
SCOTLAND NO WARD SPLITS Caithness, Sutherland & Ross 72542 Argyll & Lochaber OR Argyll, Bute, Lochaber & Skye 72473 Inverness & Nairn OR Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch & Strathspey 76866 Elgin & Banff OR Moray & Banff 78389 Buchan 73634 Gordon & Deeside 75996 Aberdeen North 77350 Aberdeen South 71071 Kincardine 76721 Fofar OR Angus 71071 Dundee 77612 Kinross & St Andrews OR Kinross & North East Fife 76287 Perth 72831 Glenrothes 74747 Kirkcaldy 76713 Dunfermline 74864 Sterling & Clackmannanshire 77602 Milngavie & Teith 74698 Falkirk 74092 Linlithgow OR West Lothian 73582 Livingston 74322 Motherwell & Wishaw 75208 Airdrie & Coatbridge OR Monklands 77228 Cumbernauld, Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch 78018 Dumbarton OR Dumbarton & Clydebank 73913 Glasgow Bishopbriggs 72532 Glasgow Bellshill 77956 Glasgow Central 77199 Glasgow Kelvin 76199 Glasgow Bearsden 73617 Paisley 71098 Glasgow Renfrew 72593 Glasgow Pollok 74196 Glasgow Rutherglen 76788 Hamilton & Cambuslang 75047 East Kilbride 77212 Giffnock OR Eastwood 77180 Greenock OR Inverclyde 77565 Ardrossan OR Cunningham 72916 Kilmarnock & Irvine 78449 Ayr OR Ayr & Carrick 77352 Wigtown, Kirkcudbright & Cumnock OR Galloway & Cumnock 74738 Lanark, Peebles & Shotts 76938 Dumfries 77382 Berwick, Roxburgh & Selkirk OR Scottish Borders 77885 Haddington OR East Lothian 76153 Edinburgh South 73841 Edinburgh North 75718 Edinburgh Central 76799 Midlothian 72849 Edinburgh West 74704
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Post by islington on Jul 22, 2016 9:14:34 GMT
ASV - that is brilliant. Yet again you've achieved the apparently impossible. The biggest fly in the ointment is the 'Galloway and random bits of Ayrshire' seat, which is a rural Scottish equivalent of the cherished 'Leeds Met & Ossett' seat from the zombie review. Also, the Clydesdale seat extends into four authorities. How do you feel about this? I started from the assumption that we already have workable plans, with no ward splits, for eastern and northern Scotland. (I've posted my versions, but there are others. And there's a scheme somewhere upthread that deals with the Highland area without ward splits - admittedly it puts a boundary through the middle of Inverness but it keeps everything within range and below 13000 sq km.) So that leaves Glasgow, E Duns, Stirling, the Lanarkshires and the whole of southwest Scotland to get a total of 23 seats. What I've posted above is a way of doing this. I am very happy to acknowledge a huge debt to your scheme. Electorates as follows (* = the seat is identical to yours (although the name may be different)). Airdrie - 72887 *N Ayrshire - 72916 *S Ayrshire - 77352 Coatbridge and Baillieston - 72801 *Dumfries - 77382 E Kilbride & Loudoun - 73945 Galloway & Cumnock - 74304 (The 3-area seat: I can't think what else to call it, and it's not at all satisfactory - but it is at least less elongated and 'Leeds Met'-like than ASV's version.) *Glasgow C - 77199 Glasgow E - 77399 *Glasgow N - 76199 Glasgow NW - 74954 *Glasgow S - 74196 *Glasgow SE - 76788 *Glasgow SW - 72593 *Hamilton - 75047 *Kilmarnock and Irvine - 78449 Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld - 73711 Lanark - 76128 Motherwell - 71880 *Paisley - 71098 *NW Renfrewshire - 77565 *SE Renfrewshire - 77180 Stirling - 73036
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Post by AustralianSwingVoter on Jul 22, 2016 10:25:45 GMT
ASV - that is brilliant. Yet again you've achieved the apparently impossible. The biggest fly in the ointment is the 'Galloway and random bits of Ayrshire' seat, which is a rural Scottish equivalent of the cherished 'Leeds Met & Ossett' seat from the zombie review. Also, the Clydesdale seat extends into four authorities. How do you feel about this? I started from the assumption that we already have workable plans, with no ward splits, for eastern and northern Scotland. (I've posted my versions, but there are others. And there's a scheme somewhere upthread that deals with the Highland area without ward splits - admittedly it puts a boundary through the middle of Inverness but it keeps everything within range and below 13000 sq km.) So that leaves Glasgow, E Duns, Stirling, the Lanarkshires and the whole of southwest Scotland to get a total of 23 seats. What I've posted above is a way of doing this. I am very happy to acknowledge a huge debt to your scheme. Electorates as follows (* = the seat is identical to yours (although the name may be different)). Airdrie - 72887 *N Ayrshire - 72916 *S Ayrshire - 77352 Coatbridge and Baillieston - 72801 *Dumfries - 77382 E Kilbride & Loudoun - 73945 Galloway & Cumnock - 74304 (I can't think what else to call it, and it's not at all satisfactory - but it is at least less elongated and 'Leeds Met'-like than ASV's version.) *Glasgow C - 77199 Glasgow E - 77399 *Glasgow N - 76199 Glasgow NW - 74954 *Glasgow S - 74196 *Glasgow SE - 76788 *Glasgow SW - 72593 *Hamilton - 75047 *Kilmarnock and Irvine - 78449 Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld - 73711 (This is a 3-area seat - at a quick check, I think it is the only one.) Lanark - 76128 Motherwell - 71880 *Paisley - 71098 *NW Renfrewshire - 77565 *SE Renfrewshire - 77180 Stirling - 73036 Thats OK islington, apart from: Tweeddale West Ward (aka Peebles West) is not in Lanark, Peebles & Shotts (therby making it Lanark) and therefore Berwick, Roxburgh & Selkirk OR Scottish Borders is over Quota and therefore have fun redrawing ALL of Lothian Now you have created Stirling, what will you do to Falkirk And on the previous two points, the Falkirk-West Lothian-Edinburgh-Midlothian-East Lothian-Scottish Borders area which is 10.598 Quotas with an average seat size of 72594 Now you have created Stirling, what will you do to Clackmannanshire Kilpatrick ward of West Dunbartonshire was in Glasgow Bearsden and instead of that you have put Milngavie in Glasgow Bearsden meaning that Dumbarton is over Quota And on that point your West Dunbartonshire-Argyll & Bute-Highland-Aberdeenshire-Aberdeen-Angus-Dundee-Perth & Kinross-Fife-Clackmannanshire is 17.524 Quotas with an average seat size of 73288 The Wigtown, Kirkcudbright & Cumnock OR Galloway & Cumnock is so ugly because it was literally my only option, I think, and correct me if I am wrong, that the Wigtown, Kirkcudbright & Cumnock OR Galloway & Cumnock seat is the only really ugly seat and I know from experience that there is almost always in larger areas one really ugly and illogical seat which is needed so that all the other seats are fairly nice and logical. So islington, unless you can make 11 seats out of 10.598 and 18 out of 17.524, remembering how large and cumbersome wards are, then your plan cannot work, but PLEASE try and make the rest of Scotland because I couldn't make it work (Especially Edinburgh) Also what I think you have done is make a lot of average seats and many sort-of bad seats (Coatbridge & Baillieston, Airdrie (which should be Airdrie & Shotts) and Kirkintilloch and Cumbernauld come to mind) and no really horrible seats (except Motherwell which looks a bit to gerrymandered). Instead I had a lot of lovely, fantastic, logical constituencies (my favourites being Airdrie & Coatbridge OR Monklands, Motherwell & Wishaw, Cumbernauld and Kilsyth & Kirkintilloch) with one truly horrid constituency (Wigtown, Kirkcudbright & Cumnock OR Galloway & Cumnock) which I think is an altogether better approach.
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Post by islington on Jul 22, 2016 11:26:30 GMT
ASV
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
I'll comment in detail later but I've submitted plans upthread showing how it might be done (and there may be other options, of course).
If you treat Clacks (0.497) with the southern grouping rather than the northern, then the numbers work.
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