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Post by finsobruce on Mar 2, 2017 21:57:13 GMT
I love that Scottish Labour's counter proposals for the whole country focus on trying to retain their Edinburgh seat. You'd think they would at least try. It's a war of limited aims.....  |
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Post by iain on Mar 5, 2017 11:19:37 GMT
Milngavie has no links to West Dunbartonshire, not even a road! I like the LD proposal for East and West Dunbartonshire (yes from a partisan point of view, but I'm talking purely in terms of coherent constituencies here) being reviewed with Glasgow. Doubt the commission will go for it however.
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Post by joefaekemlin on Mar 8, 2017 3:28:44 GMT
I havnt read through the rest of the comments yet so please forgive me if any of this has been covered already. My main interest is what happens in Falkirk. On the face of it, the boundary commission appears to have taken the Forth Valley Health Board area and split it into 3 constituencies. 1 has been based around the Holyrood constituency of Falkirk East whilst the current constituency of Falkirk is based around Falkirk West (accident or design?). Another appears to be centred around the Holyrood seat of Clacks and Dunblane whilst the third is a hybrid of what remains of Falkirk West and Stirling constituencies.
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Post by joefaekemlin on Mar 8, 2017 15:48:27 GMT
Milngavie has no links to West Dunbartonshire, not even a road! I like the LD proposal for East and West Dunbartonshire (yes from a partisan point of view, but I'm talking purely in terms of coherent constituencies here) being reviewed with Glasgow. Doubt the commission will go for it however. The B8050 links Milngavie to West Dunbartonshire: for the constituency to be continuous the boundary commission would only need to transfer a few outer suburbs at Windyhill from Bearsden North to Milngavie & West Dunbartonshire. If necessary can balance the numbers from this change by transferring Dougalston over to East Dunbartonshire. Who needs a link? At one time you had to go via Stirlingshire to get from East Dunbartonshire to West Dunbartonshire and that was when there was a county council. |
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Post by joefaekemlin on Mar 8, 2017 15:54:57 GMT
The B8050 links Milngavie to West Dunbartonshire: for the constituency to be continuous the boundary commission would only need to transfer a few outer suburbs at Windyhill from Bearsden North to Milngavie & West Dunbartonshire. If necessary can balance the numbers from this change by transferring Dougalston over to East Dunbartonshire. Who needs a link? At one time you had to go via Stirlingshire to get from East Dunbartonshire to West Dunbartonshire and that was when there was a county council. We also had basket case constituencies like Stirling, Falkirk and Grangemouth where, depending on the route you took, you could drive through two other constituencies to get to the various parts. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 8, 2017 16:01:05 GMT
Stirling, Falkirk and Grangemouth was the last remnant of the 'District of Burghs' seats which were created in 1707 to cope with the fact that lots of Scottish Burghs were too small to be single constituencies in the Great Britain Parliament. So it wasn't a bug that it was in separate bits.
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Post by joefaekemlin on Mar 8, 2017 17:25:15 GMT
Who needs a link? At one time you had to go via Stirlingshire to get from East Dunbartonshire to West Dunbartonshire and that was when there was a county council. The Boundary Commission do preferably, although they have been known to neglect their own policies. Page 4 of the Boundary Commission for Scotland: 2018 Review of UK Parliamentary constituencies policies and procedures. (Link here) I was being rhetorical given some past practices. I think it was the 1994 regional elections they moved part of Larbert into the Carmuirs regional division just to make up the numbers. |
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Post by joefaekemlin on Mar 8, 2017 17:47:59 GMT
Stirling, Falkirk and Grangemouth was the last remnant of the 'District of Burghs' seats which were created in 1707 to cope with the fact that lots of Scottish Burghs were too small to be single constituencies in the Great Britain Parliament. So it wasn't a bug that it was in separate bits. Even allowing for that, would it not have been better to have perhaps North Stirlingshire and clacks, West Stirlingshire and East Stirlingshire as the three constituencies? They finally got it correct in 1983 in my opinon. Incidentally, Grangemouth only came into the equation in 1974, it was Stirling and Falkirk before then, so they could have dropped this nonsense as far back as then. |
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Post by piperdave on Apr 9, 2017 21:00:23 GMT
I've heard that the local (South Ayrshire) SNP's canvassing figures aren't looking great and that they are not confident that they can win the proposed Ayr & Carrick constituency come 2020. Three years is a long time in politics. there's very little point speculating this far out, especially considering what we know will happen by then. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 18, 2017 19:16:29 GMT
Ian Murray's proposed change in southern Edinburgh has now been adopted: Southside/Newington will now remain with Morningside as part of Edinburgh's "Southside" constituency, with the City Centre Ward being transferred to Edinburgh East. This proposal was designed to benefit Labour at the time, but ironically it now makes things a pinch harder in Edinburgh East. This change is logical from a logistical and community stand point. It looks absolutely like a gerrymander, so makes sense that it is one. Of course, sensible boundaries here would have required some pretty massive ignorance of ward lines. Yeah, I looked at that and wondered "what the hell? Was that thing there before?" Which is utterly stark barking insane. ("West Lanarkshire burgh constituency" driving the point home even further.) Problem: Can't create constituencies of whole towns? Solution: Don't mention towns! |
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Post by IceAgeComing on Oct 19, 2017 22:08:37 GMT
I'd hardly say that the Stirling boundaries are "resolved" or whatever; they are still very bad - I live in St Ninians and we're in the Stirlingshire and South Perthshire seat which is incredibly silly and hardly likely to ensure that the people of the bit of Stirling that isn't in the Stirling and North Falkirk seat are well represented. I actually don't think that its a particularly big improvement over the initial proposals - what it gains from getting rid of that odd Kinross and Cowdenbeath seat it loses by now silly the Stirlingshire and South Perthshire seat is - plus there was a lot of local annoyance when they split off Bridge of Allan and Dunblane off from Stirling in the Scottish Parliament seat, I can only imagine what this will lead to. It shows the issue with the review fixing the number of seats and the 5% threshold can cause and its not one that's unique to Stirling but apparent all over the country - its just that in Stirling its a lot more obvious since they have to naturally extend the bits with the random bits of Stirling all the way up to Kinross which looks sillier to people who don't know the area.
Its a good thing that this review will likely be blocked: hopefully next time we do this there'll be sensible rules that means that they don't have to draw some of the monstrosities that are in the revised proposals...
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Post by Adrian on Oct 19, 2017 23:28:25 GMT
Where on the website do they explain why they've made the changes?
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Post by YL on Oct 20, 2017 6:43:21 GMT
I'd hardly say that the Stirling boundaries are "resolved" or whatever; they are still very bad - I live in St Ninians and we're in the Stirlingshire and South Perthshire seat which is incredibly silly and hardly likely to ensure that the people of the bit of Stirling that isn't in the Stirling and North Falkirk seat are well represented. I actually don't think that its a particularly big improvement over the initial proposals - what it gains from getting rid of that odd Kinross and Cowdenbeath seat it loses by now silly the Stirlingshire and South Perthshire seat is - plus there was a lot of local annoyance when they split off Bridge of Allan and Dunblane off from Stirling in the Scottish Parliament seat, I can only imagine what this will lead to. It shows the issue with the review fixing the number of seats and the 5% threshold can cause and its not one that's unique to Stirling but apparent all over the country - its just that in Stirling its a lot more obvious since they have to naturally extend the bits with the random bits of Stirling all the way up to Kinross which looks sillier to people who don't know the area. Its a good thing that this review will likely be blocked: hopefully next time we do this there'll be sensible rules that means that they don't have to draw some of the monstrosities that are in the revised proposals... How much of "Stirlingshire & South Perthshire" is actually in Stirlingshire? Dunblane, Doune, Callander, Crianlarich etc. are all in Perthshire historically speaking. It's all very well naming constituencies after historic counties, but it helps if there's some resemblance... ... and when one constituency has a pretty good resemblance to the historic county of Inverness-shire, they decide to use the ugly and not very accurate name "Highland South"! |
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Post by islington on Oct 20, 2017 10:28:59 GMT
Where on the website do they explain why they've made the changes? Yes, I was wondering this. At least the BCE, whatever its tiny faults, gives some kind of explanation. Does the BCS do likewise? |
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Post by minionofmidas on Oct 21, 2017 10:59:54 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Sept 10, 2018 13:12:32 GMT
Final recommendations
Arbroath East and Lunan ward now all in Angus South and Dundee East (was split)
Arbroath West and Letham ward now all in Angus South and Dundee East (was split)
Kirriemuir and Dean ward now all in Kincardine and Angus North (was split)
Bishopton, Bridge of Weir & Langbank ward now split between Clyde Coast, and Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley
Dalry and West Kilbride ward is still split between Arran and Cunninghame, and Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley, but boundary has changed
Erskine & Inchinnan ward now all in Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley (was split)
Johnston South, Elderslie and Howwood ward now split between Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley and Paisley
North Coast and Cumbraes ward moved from Renfrewshire West to Clyde Coast
Paisley South West ward moved from Renfrewshire West to Paisley
City Centre ward now split between Edinburgh East and Edinburgh North and Leith
Leith ward now split between Edinburgh East and Edinburgh North and Leith
Leith walk ward now split between Edinburgh East and Edinburgh North and Leith
Argyll, Bute and Lochaber renamed to Argyll, Bute and South West Highland
Edinburgh Pentland and Livingston renamed to Livingston and Edinburgh Pentland
Edinburgh Southside renamed to Edinburgh South
Highland South renamed to Highland Central
Inverclyde and Erskine renamed to Clyde Coast
Renfrewshire West renamed to Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley
Stirlingshire and South Perthshire renamed to Stirlingshire, Strathearn and Kinross
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Post by iain on Sept 10, 2018 13:14:30 GMT
‘Argyll, Bute & South West Highland’
‘Central Highland’
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:39:17 GMT
I thought the name "Highland South" couldn't get any worse. I was wrong. and "Highland North" is still there!
*Sharpens Pitchfork*
Somebody give these awful constituencies a coup de grace already.
"Clyde Coast" is quite a nice name though tbf.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:41:57 GMT
Argyll, Bute and Lochaber renamed to Argyll, Bute and South West Highland Edinburgh Pentland and Livingston renamed to Livingston and Edinburgh Pentland Edinburgh Southside renamed to Edinburgh South Highland South renamed to Highland Central Inverclyde and Erskine renamed to Clyde Coast Renfrewshire West renamed to Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley Stirlingshire and South Perthshire renamed to Stirlingshire, Strathearn and Kinross Read more: vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/6888/2018-review-scotland?page=26#ixzz5QhqHxCFnYou lot can never criticise me ever again about constituency names. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 13:44:49 GMT
Argyll, Bute and Lochaber renamed to Argyll, Bute and South West Highland Edinburgh Pentland and Livingston renamed to Livingston and Edinburgh Pentland Edinburgh Southside renamed to Edinburgh South Highland South renamed to Highland Central Inverclyde and Erskine renamed to Clyde Coast Renfrewshire West renamed to Renfrewshire West and Garnock Valley Stirlingshire and South Perthshire renamed to Stirlingshire, Strathearn and Kinross Read more: vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/6888/2018-review-scotland?page=26#ixzz5QhqHxCFnYou lot can never criticise me ever again about constituency names. "Argyll, Bute and South West Highland" really rolls of the tongue nicely, doesn't it? |
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