Errors in the Times Guide to the House of Commons

[Davıd Boothroyd]

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[carlton43]

Mar 28, 2020 21:15:14 GMT johnloony said:

In the circumstances, I had forgotten about this. I guess the bookshops are closed, so can it be ordered by post from somewhere?

What a good question?  There really must be an opening for a big mail order organisation to deliver books, entertainment and other goods to the doorstep.  Perhaps with massive warehouses, an excellent website and commitment to service? Who knows?  Perhaps one will start up because of this?

[andrewp]

My Times Guide has now arrived

I make it that the oldest new MP elected in December is Mick Whitley ( Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17 Nov 1951 which makes him 68, followed by Jo Gideon ( C, Stoke on Trent Central) b 7 Nov 1952 making her 67

[Davıd Boothroyd]

There's a lovely correction in today's edition of The Times:

The Times Guide to The House of Commons 2019 wrongly describes Stephen Kerr, Conservative MP for Stirling 2017-19, as “an ardent Brexiteer who supported no deal” and states that he called his SNP opponent Alyn Smith “sweetcheeks” during a hustings. While Mr Kerr supported Brexit, he voted consistently in favour of Theresa May’s negotiated deal and argued for compromise. It was Mr Smith who called Mr Kerr “sweetcheeks”, not the other way round. We apologise for the mistakes.

[finsobruce]

Apr 6, 2020 15:19:54 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

There's a lovely correction in today's edition of The Times:

The Times Guide to The House of Commons 2019 wrongly describes Stephen Kerr, Conservative MP for Stirling 2017-19, as “an ardent Brexiteer who supported no deal” and states that he called his SNP opponent Alyn Smith “sweetcheeks” during a hustings. While Mr Kerr supported Brexit, he voted consistently in favour of Theresa May’s negotiated deal and argued for compromise. It was Mr Smith who called Mr Kerr “sweetcheeks”, not the other way round. We apologise for the mistakes.

In A P Herbert's "Independent Member" he remembers his work on the Matriomonial Causes Bill and how he once had a correction in Hansard for one of his speeches; "For parsons, read bastards".

[Deleted]

£60 - or £54 on Amazon - is a lot for a book I'm sure will have its fair number of errors.

I got the 2010 and 2015 versions, but Star Trek Deep Space Nine (the complete set) is £59 on iTunes. I'm seriously tempted by that as an alternative spend. 

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's analysis of the 2019 results in County Durham leaves something to be desired.

[greatkingrat]

Apr 7, 2020 23:53:19 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's analysis of the 2019 results in County Durham leaves something to be desired.

The Conservatives boldly went where no Conservative had gone before.

[johnloony]

I have started browsing through the TGttHoC to see what it says about the new members.

Eddisbury: it says that Edward Timpson (Con, Eddisbury) was MP for Crewe & Nantwich from 2008 to 2017, but "lost his seat to the Lib Dems". It was of course Labour.

East Lothian: it says that Kenny MacAskill (SNP) "led the 'Can't Pay, Won't Pay' campaign to oppose the poll tax during the 1980s". It was of course a "Can Pay, Won't Pay" campaign.

Meanwhile, I notice that Mick Whitley (Labour, Birkenhead) (who is 68) looks like a stereotypical T.U. / Labour MP from the 1960s or 70s. "Leftwinger, former car factory worker, TGWU shop steward, Vauxhall plant convenor for 27 years"

[tonyhill]

Without any direct knowledge of the anti poll tax movement in Scotland I'm inclined to think that "Can't Pay? Won't Pay!" is accurate given that it is the title of a play by Dario Fo, and the title of a book on the resistance to the poll tax.

[Deleted]

Apr 7, 2020 23:53:19 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's analysis of the 2019 results in County Durham leaves something to be desired.

Ah but there is politics in it. Quite a lot of politics.

[johnloony]

I've just noticed that the 1992 and 1987 TGTTHOC are about 3 millimetres taller than the 1997 onwards ones.
I only noticed because my 2019 TGTTHOC is lying on top of the others, and it creates a slight gap / hypotenuse.

[johnloony]

Apr 14, 2020 17:35:55 GMT tonyhill said:

Without any direct knowledge of the anti poll tax movement in Scotland I'm inclined to think that "Can't Pay? Won't Pay!" is accurate given that it is the title of a play by Dario Fo, and the title of a book on the resistance to the poll tax.

With direct knowledge and memory of the anti-poll-tax movement in the whole of the UK, I'm inclined to think that "can't pay won't pay" is completely inaccurate, because the whole point of the SNP campaign was that it was a "can pay won't pay" campaign, and that the title of a play by Dario Fo which was written in 1974 is completely irrelevant to political events which happened in the UK in the late 1980s.

If you think otherwise then you must be so cataclysmically missing the point that is a mystery that you haven't already spontaneously turned into an ostrich.

[The Bishop]

Yes, I definitely recall the "can pay, won't pay!" slogan being widely used around that time (as well as the "can't", both were fully applicable)

[Davıd Boothroyd]

I also remember both being used, sometimes interchangeably.

[Robert Waller]

Apr 4, 2020 10:17:45 GMT andrewp said:

My Times Guide has now arrived

I make it that the oldest new MP elected in December is Mick Whitley ( Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17 Nov 1951 which makes him 68, followed by Jo Gideon ( C, Stoke on Trent Central) b 7 Nov 1952 making her 67

For my 'oldest MPs' list, has anyone spotted any other newcomers born before the end of 1954, please?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Apr 15, 2020 12:53:20 GMT Robert Waller said:

Apr 4, 2020 10:17:45 GMT andrewp said:

My Times Guide has now arrived

I make it that the oldest new MP elected in December is Mick Whitley ( Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17 Nov 1951 which makes him 68, followed by Jo Gideon ( C, Stoke on Trent Central) b 7 Nov 1952 making her 67

For my 'oldest MPs' list, has anyone spotted any other newcomers born before the end of 1954, please?

Oldest new MPs are:

Mick Whitby (Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17/11/51
Jo Gideon (C, Stoke-on-Trent Central) b. 7/11/52
Allan Dorans (SNP, Ayr Carrick and Cumnock) b. 30/7/55
Paul Holmes (C, Eastleigh) b. 16/1/57
Kenny MacAskill (SNP, East Lothian) b. 28/4/58

[warofdreams]

Apr 15, 2020 13:55:24 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Apr 15, 2020 12:53:20 GMT Robert Waller said:

For my 'oldest MPs' list, has anyone spotted any other newcomers born before the end of 1954, please?

Oldest new MPs are:

Mick Whitby (Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17/11/51
Jo Gideon (C, Stoke-on-Trent Central) b. 7/11/52
Allan Dorans (SNP, Ayr Carrick and Cumnock) b. 30/7/55
Paul Holmes (C, Eastleigh) b. 16/1/57
Kenny MacAskill (SNP, East Lothian) b. 28/4/58

That doesn't sound right for Paul Holmes, Wiki has him down as born in 1988, and that looks right, giving his photo.

[Pete Whitehead]

Apr 15, 2020 14:37:59 GMT warofdreams said:

Apr 15, 2020 13:55:24 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Oldest new MPs are:

Mick Whitby (Lab, Birkenhead) b. 17/11/51
Jo Gideon (C, Stoke-on-Trent Central) b. 7/11/52
Allan Dorans (SNP, Ayr Carrick and Cumnock) b. 30/7/55
Paul Holmes (C, Eastleigh) b. 16/1/57
Kenny MacAskill (SNP, East Lothian) b. 28/4/58

That doesn't sound right for Paul Holmes, Wiki has him down as born in 1988, and that looks right, giving his photo.

The dob given is that of Paul Holmes the former Lib Dem MP for Chesterfield

[andrewp]

Paul Holmes DOB is 25/08/88

The 5th oldest new MP is Paul Howell ( C, Sedgefield) b.10/01/60