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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 19, 2019 12:52:51 GMT
There were significant boundary changes between those two seats in 1997 though - basically Newton Aycliffe was moved from Bishop Auckland to Sedgefield and an area around Spennymoor was moved the other way - around 20k voters in each case. I'm not sure how index of change is calculated but if it is something like number of voters removed from constituency plus number added as a percentage of the new electorate than that figure could make some sense (there were also some areas exchanged between Sedgefield and Easington)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 19, 2019 13:03:45 GMT
The definition is explained here So more or less as I said except the total constituency electorate is that of the old constituency rather than the new one. It does certainly seem an odd figure when in these kind of examples around 70% of the electorate of the new seat was in the old seat but I think on its own terms those figures sound plausible |
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Post by greenhert on Feb 19, 2019 16:11:09 GMT
There were significant boundary changes between those two seats in 1997 though - basically Newton Aycliffe was moved from Bishop Auckland to Sedgefield and an area around Spennymoor was moved the other way - around 20k voters in each case. I'm not sure how index of change is calculated but if it is something like number of voters removed from constituency plus number added as a percentage of the new electorate than that figure could make some sense (there were also some areas exchanged between Sedgefield and Easington) Having checked Butler & Kavanagh (1997) I can confirm that you are in fact correct. I am surprised this change happened given that Durham's constituency entitlement did not change for the 1997 election, and the boundaries were finalised before unitarty authorities came into existence. It must have occurred on request from either Newton Aycliffe or Spennymoor residents, in a similar way that South East Staffordshire had its name changed to Tamworth even though the index of change was only 7.8%, probably because it should already have been named Tamworth in 1983. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 19, 2019 16:19:35 GMT
Some of the boundary change percentages in the Times Guide to the House of Commons are clearly incorrect. Bishop Auckland was claimed to have undergone a 47.7% change from its 1983 boundaries, and Sedgefield 53.3%, but Wikipedia, Davıd Boothroyd 's election website detailing electorate changes in the Durham constituencies from 1983-1992, and the British General Election of 1997 by Butler & Kavanagh confirm this to be inaccurate. They must have accidentally multiplied the real level of change by 10, as with Sedgefield. The number of constituencies in Durham (excluding the parts of Durham in Tyne & Wear) has remained unchanged since 1983. About 10 years ago I think they decided to save money by not bothering to proof-read the Times Guide. Since then the number of mistakes has increased very much. Fred Craig was complaining that the Times Guide was stuffed full of mistakes in 1970. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Feb 19, 2019 17:55:28 GMT
Some of the boundary change percentages in the Times Guide to the House of Commons are clearly incorrect. Bishop Auckland was claimed to have undergone a 47.7% change from its 1983 boundaries, and Sedgefield 53.3%, but Wikipedia, Davıd Boothroyd 's election website detailing electorate changes in the Durham constituencies from 1983-1992, and the British General Election of 1997 by Butler & Kavanagh confirm this to be inaccurate. They must have accidentally multiplied the real level of change by 10, as with Sedgefield. The number of constituencies in Durham (excluding the parts of Durham in Tyne & Wear) has remained unchanged since 1983. About 10 years ago I think they decided to save money by not bothering to proof-read the Times Guide. Since then the number of mistakes has increased very much. And yet they kept the price of it outrageously high. |
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Post by john07 on Feb 20, 2019 2:09:32 GMT
One from the 1951 Guide. A strange picture supposedly of a 39 year old Enoch Powell: imgur.com/a/DsOkEry |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 20, 2019 7:50:16 GMT
One from the 1951 Guide. A strange picture supposedly of a 39 year old Enoch Powell: imgur.com/a/DsOkEryAnd it certainly isn't Herbert "Billy" Hughes either. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66000000000008px; height: 3.8000000000000114px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47395641" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="3.8000000000000114"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 3.8px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1613px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10955226" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="3.8000000000000114"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 3.8px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 130px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_23225132" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="3.8000000000000114"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 33.66px; height: 3.8px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1613px; top: 130px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_4447055" scrolling="no" width="33.66000000000008" height="3.8000000000000114"></iframe> |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 20, 2019 20:59:04 GMT
There were significant boundary changes between those two seats in 1997 though - basically Newton Aycliffe was moved from Bishop Auckland to Sedgefield and an area around Spennymoor was moved the other way - around 20k voters in each case. I'm not sure how index of change is calculated but if it is something like number of voters removed from constituency plus number added as a percentage of the new electorate than that figure could make some sense (there were also some areas exchanged between Sedgefield and Easington) Having checked Butler & Kavanagh (1997) I can confirm that you are in fact correct. I am surprised this change happened given that Durham's constituency entitlement did not change for the 1997 election, and the boundaries were finalised before unitarty authorities came into existence. It must have occurred on request from either Newton Aycliffe or Spennymoor residents, in a similar way that South East Staffordshire had its name changed to Tamworth even though the index of change was only 7.8%, probably because it should already have been named Tamworth in 1983. Having checked the Thrasher & Rallings Media Guide to the New Parliamentary constituencies, I can confirm that I was not correct about Easington - there were no changes to that constituency at all in 1997, but the Index of change for Bishop Auckland and for Sedgefield is indeed as it was reported in the Times Guide |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Nov 15, 2019 12:24:20 GMT
Niche one here.
The 1950 edition incorrectly names Emlyn Hooson as Hodson. His name is correct in the 1951 version.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 27, 2020 20:10:38 GMT
My copy of the 2019 Times Guide arrived today.
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Post by andrewp on Mar 27, 2020 20:14:19 GMT
My copy of the 2019 Times Guide arrived today. Does it have a full set of DoB’s? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 27, 2020 20:52:57 GMT
My copy of the 2019 Times Guide arrived today. Does it have a full set of DoB’s? Not full - some have "Declined to disclose birth date". Currently I have precise dates of birth for all but five current MPs. (In three of those cases I know the quarter; in the other two I know the year) |
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Post by andrewp on Mar 27, 2020 21:03:59 GMT
Does it have a full set of DoB’s? Not full - some have "Declined to disclose birth date". Currently I have precise dates of birth for all but five current MPs. (In three of those cases I know the quarter; in the other two I know the year) Not sure that guide has ever had declined to disclose before. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 27, 2020 21:36:36 GMT
Not full - some have "Declined to disclose birth date". Currently I have precise dates of birth for all but five current MPs. (In three of those cases I know the quarter; in the other two I know the year) Not sure that guide has ever had declined to disclose before. It hasn't drawn attention to them. For the record the five are: Felicity Christian BUCHAN (Kensington) B. 1970, Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire Kate Elizabeth GRIFFITHS (Burton), maiden surname KNIVETON, B. Q1 1971, Burton, Staffordshire Neil Peter Hammerton HUDSON (Penrith and The Border), B. Q1 1969, Islington Holly MUMBY-CROFT (Scunthorpe), B. July 1983 Katharine Helen BROOKS-OSBORNE (Jarrow), maiden surname OSBORNE, B. Q3 1966, Folkestone, Kent |
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 27, 2020 21:44:36 GMT
Not sure that guide has ever had declined to disclose before. It hasn't drawn attention to them. For the record the five are: Felicity Christian BUCHAN (Kensington) B. 1970, Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire Kate Elizabeth GRIFFITHS (Burton), maiden surname KNIVETON, B. Q1 1971, Burton, Staffordshire Neil Peter Hammerton HUDSON (Penrith and The Border), B. Q1 1969, Islington Holly MUMBY-CROFT (Scunthorpe), B. July 1983 Katharine Helen BROOKS-OSBORNE (Jarrow), maiden surname OSBORNE, B. Q3 1966, Folkestone, Kent If someone has a spare £56 they could order the birth certificates. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 27, 2020 21:45:14 GMT
Not sure that guide has ever had declined to disclose before. It hasn't drawn attention to them. For the record the five are: Felicity Christian BUCHAN (Kensington) B. 1970, Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire Kate Elizabeth GRIFFITHS (Burton), maiden surname KNIVETON, B. Q1 1971, Burton, Staffordshire Neil Peter Hammerton HUDSON (Penrith and The Border), B. Q1 1969, Islington Holly MUMBY-CROFT (Scunthorpe), B. July 1983 Katharine Helen BROOKS-OSBORNE (Jarrow), maiden surname OSBORNE, B. Q3 1966, Folkestone, Kent i note that Neil Hudson has Hammerton as a middle name and was born in Islington. The resurrected Hammertons brewery (which historically was in Stockwell) was set up in Islington about three or four years ago apparently by a member of the family. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Mar 27, 2020 21:52:09 GMT
My copy of the 2019 Times Guide arrived today. Shall we start a book as to when David spots the first error? |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 27, 2020 21:59:38 GMT
My copy of the 2019 Times Guide arrived today. Shall we start a book as to when David spots the first error? I know you're joking, but being serious it depends whether you count the Green vote in Hull West as an error or not. There's also the Brexit Party figure in Middlesbrough. |
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Post by johnloony on Mar 28, 2020 21:15:14 GMT
In the circumstances, I had forgotten about this. I guess the bookshops are closed, so can it be ordered by post from somewhere?
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 28, 2020 21:46:03 GMT
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