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Post by marksenior on Jul 3, 2015 11:35:37 GMT
Our candidate in Cardiff being a "carpetbagger" was at least as important (as mentioned above) Labour's share in Richmond fell by less than either the Tories or Greens if one wants a small straw to clutch at  Technically false Conservatives lost 21% of their vote share , Greens lost 54% and Labour also lost 54% |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 3, 2015 11:36:39 GMT
I am old enough to remember the role of Church ward, Wavertree, Liverpool ... On that trajectory I think in 40 years time Hampton Wick will be the only ward to elect a Lib Dem councillor in Richmond upon Thames while they are consigned to fourth place in the parliamentary seat |
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Post by Robert Waller on Jul 3, 2015 12:00:24 GMT
Given last month's results, I think some LDs would be grateful if the party is still in existence in 40 years time!
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Post by Khunanup on Jul 3, 2015 12:36:07 GMT
That is quite frankly magnificent! Never really got close in this ward bar GE day in 2010 and we know the Tories were putting serious resources into this election. You won it in 1986 and 1990, held two of the three seats in 1994 and one in 1998.... Now you are no longer in government with the Tories I would say we are probably back to the "old days" in Richmond Upon Thames when the Lib Dems could threaten any Tory seat. Still a very good result of course. I refer to this ward as it exists now, ie since rewarding in 2002. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jul 3, 2015 13:00:12 GMT
The boundary changes were trivial. Its the same ward
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 3, 2015 16:42:02 GMT
Apart from Hampton Wick being in Twickenham constituency. OK, I stand corrected. But it might still make Zac think. You're an optimist! |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 3, 2015 16:42:59 GMT
That is quite frankly magnificent! Never really got close in this ward bar GE day in 2010 and we know the Tories were putting serious resources into this election. You won it in 1986 and 1990, held two of the three seats in 1994 and one in 1998.... Now you are no longer in government with the Tories I would say we are probably back to the "old days" in Richmond Upon Thames when the Lib Dems could threaten any Tory seat. Still a very good result of course. 17 years is a long, long, long, long time in politics. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 3, 2015 16:46:47 GMT
Given last month's results, I think some LDs would be grateful if the party is still in existence in 40 years time! Well, I shall be looking forward to my 98th birthday. And, I suspect, will still be a Lib Dem. Indeed, I fear I will still be the local party chairman.  |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 3, 2015 16:53:37 GMT
You won it in 1986 and 1990, held two of the three seats in 1994 and one in 1998.... Now you are no longer in government with the Tories I would say we are probably back to the "old days" in Richmond Upon Thames when the Lib Dems could threaten any Tory seat. Still a very good result of course. 17 years is a long, long, long, long time in politics. Not as long as it is in Canada though! |
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 3, 2015 17:00:40 GMT
You won it in 1986 and 1990, held two of the three seats in 1994 and one in 1998.... Now you are no longer in government with the Tories I would say we are probably back to the "old days" in Richmond Upon Thames when the Lib Dems could threaten any Tory seat. Still a very good result of course. 17 years is a long, long, long, long time in politics. Of course it is gwyn but my point was that the Lib Dems are very strong in this borough (it's where i'm from originally) and although the loss of Cable was a terrible blow, coming out of government with the Tories will give an huge boost. Additionally a lot of those "fallow years" were when the Lib Dems were taking punishment for running the council which you haven't done for a while now. I would think there is a very good chance of the Lib Dems re-taking the borough from the Tories in 2018, or at least coming very close. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jul 4, 2015 4:32:04 GMT
There seems to have been a by-election to Bridge and Bridge Without ward on the City of London yesterday.
I believe that Keith Bottomley won with 66% of the vote, though that is all I know at the minute.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 4, 2015 9:43:53 GMT
As usual in City elections, all the candidates were Independents.
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Post by casualobserver on Jul 4, 2015 9:59:48 GMT
The by-election date was Thursday rather than yesterday. Yesterday was polling day.
New Council Ind 124, Lab 1.
Admittedly quite a few of the Independents have well-known party political affiliations outside the City, not least in this respect being the former Labour Attorney General Baroness Scotland of Asthal who was successful in a contested Aldermanic by-election last December.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 4, 2015 10:07:22 GMT
City elections don't take the same procedure as everywhere else. The byelection wardmote was Thursday but a poll was demanded and the polling day was Friday; the poll was what determined the election and so Friday is the day of the byelection.
The new Common Council is Ind 99, Lab 1 - the 25 Aldermen sometimes count but not always.
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Post by casualobserver on Jul 4, 2015 10:35:09 GMT
David, I know how hot you are on legal technicalities, but on this one you aren't correct. To quote the City's Official Wardmote Book " ..... If the number of persons remaining validly nominated for a Ward election exceeds the number of vacancies to be filled a poll must be held ..... on the day next following the day fixed for the holding of the Ward election [excluding dies non]."
In practice what happens is that the election Wardmote is convened on Election Day, as advertised before nominations open. If there are more candidates than vacancies the candidates are normally invited to address the voters at the Wardmote prior to the Wardmote being adjourned until immediately after the poll and count on the next working day (with voters being summoned by the Ward Beadle to reconvene at that time). At the resumption of the adjourned Wardmote the successful candidate(s) in the poll are declared elected. The poll is never referred to as "the election" and polling day is never referred to as "election day".
Also, in far more than 99% of votes in Common Council, Members of the Court of Aldermen can and do vote. In exercising its powers and duties as a local authority, aldermen vote in 100% of cases. Thus it's more accurate to say that that local authority has 125 members rather than just the 100 Common Councillors.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 4, 2015 10:38:08 GMT
I don't give a toss what the City says. The day of an election is the day it is decided who wins, and that is the day of the poll and not any preliminary stage.
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Post by casualobserver on Jul 4, 2015 10:54:20 GMT
Again, unlike you to be imprecise when considering electoral matters, David. Technically a Common Council election is not formally "won" until after the resumption of the adjourned election Wardmote meeting, at this Wardmote the City has the legal equivalent to the declaration of the result by the [acting] returning officer immediately after a count in the rest of the country.
Of course, this doesn't apply to Aldermanic elections where the result is only finally effected by vote, or at least by lack of opposition, at the Court of Aldermen.
As you say, David, "City elections don't take the same procedure as everywhere else"
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Post by marksenior on Jul 4, 2015 11:22:58 GMT
A minor result from Thursday
Pontypridd TC Trallwng ward LD gain from Labour
LD 186 Lab 136 Plaid 35
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 4, 2015 11:23:15 GMT
I am being very precise about the point the election is decided. It is the poll which decides who wins. The resumed wardmote can't go against it.
The aldermanic veto is a quaint relic and it is very difficult to see it being exercised now.
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Post by casualobserver on Jul 4, 2015 11:32:17 GMT
There seems to have been a by-election to Bridge and Bridge Without ward on the City of London yesterday. I believe that Keith Bottomley won with 66% of the vote, though that is all I know at the minute. Result as announced yesterday evening at the resumed Wardmote was: Keith Bottomley 75 Jason Groves 20 Colin Gregory 17 Stephen Evans 1 (all Independent) Incidentally, the "Notice of Person Elected", states that the Wardmote was held on Thursday with an "ensuing poll held on Friday". 32.7% turnout at the poll. Whilst Bridge and bridge Without Ward is one of the smaller Wards in the City of London, I can't recall another case where in a poll, for a Principal Authority in this country, a candidate received only one vote. I'm sure that is must have happenned recently (has anyone ever had zero votes?) and that someone on this Forum will be able to give the details. |
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