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Post by erlend on Jun 16, 2012 12:39:36 GMT
I would accept he gave out in s the same order as he received. However it was never very effective. He won't thank me for this but it felt like the bully saying that as the weed hit back it was an even match.
I regularly groaned when he made a weak rant and then got clobbered (and in the opposite order)
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 16, 2012 12:56:56 GMT
He gave out at least as much as he recieved, Khunanup. And I suspect you know this, really. For the record, I would like to see him return (just like your friend Pimp did  ) He had some highly useful stuff to contribute, when not in boilerplate mode. Sorry Bish, I don't buy that argument. At the end some people made very personal attacks against the Dok which had nothing to do with his politics. His attacks against Labourites were because of the fact they were Labour and were not personal (ie any attack he made on you for example, could have been made on any of your party colleagues). The dragging up of a very traumatic, humiliating experience for him that was over two years ago just to have a go at him (that would be the bullying) was just completely out of order. I did note at the time that a certain new contributor was immediately banned for doing the same against David Boothroyd, that was completely out of order as well and actions like that led to David stopping posting on our old site. I don't like bullying and I don't like bullys so I'll call people out for it when they do it. If we let people be driven off this site because of such behaviour we have only ourselves to blame. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2012 13:26:10 GMT
there was no bullying of him. On that day check the thread he had a real go at me, all kinds of names etc. I nor anyone on our side had that kind of vitriol thrown back on him.
I think he had a bad day for whatever reasons, maybe too much to drink and I can bet he is reading this site all the time. So come on Liam come back ...
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 16, 2012 13:43:10 GMT
there was no bullying of him. On that day check the thread he had a real go at me, all kinds of names etc. I nor anyone on our side had that kind of vitriol thrown back on him. I think he had a bad day for whatever reasons, maybe too much to drink and I can bet he is reading this site all the time. So come on Liam come back ... Yes he was over the top on that day and before I realised he'd suspended his account I'd composed a message for him to calm down. But he was bullied, as David was bullied by we all know who who was banned before it could really start up again. In the end he had a go at you because of your party support and that you back it to the hilt, not because you're Ianrobo. Bringing up a painful personal experience for someone (and it doesn't metter that it was political) just to have a go at someone is bullying. Fortunately, most of our painful personal experiences aren't widely known so we're not an easy target. |
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Post by nord on Jun 16, 2012 19:49:44 GMT
Andrew Brons' recent analysis of these by-election results, from his site:
BNP’s Collapse Opens Door for UKIP
''A set of recent election results has dramatically revealed how the civic nationalist UKIP party has benefitted from the collapse of the British National Party and its inability to even contest seats which would have been in its strongest areas just three years ago.
In elections to the Kent County Council, Tunbridge Wells East, held on Thursday 14th June 2012, the Cons polled 1171 (32.3%), the Lib Dems 1022 (28.2%), UKIP 1000 (27.6%) and Labour 321 (8.9%).
In South Bucks District Council, Iver Heath Ward, held on Thursday 14th June 2012, the Cons polled 404 (61.0%), UKIP 196 (29.6%), and Lib Dems 62 (9.4%).
In the Failsworth East (Oldham) seat, also held on Thursday 14th June, Labour polled 1199 (79.0%), UKIP 209 (13.8%), and the Lib Dems 109 (7.2%).
In these elections, UKIP has been able to present itself as the “nationalist” alternative because the BNP has been so destroyed that it has been unable to mount any sort of campaign.
The total failure of the BNP to even contest a seat in Oldham, is a stirring indictment on the party’s leadership, or rather, lack thereof.
All true patriots are heartbroken at the course of events. It seems as if Nick Griffin, who has long accused any opponent of being a “state agent” could not have done a better job of destroying nationalism in Britain than any number of “state agents.”''
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Post by Pimpernal on Jun 17, 2012 9:36:03 GMT
I found dok made very personal snidey comments and asides, and purposefully attempted to wind people up and provoke reactions.
My responses to some of those comments from dok were part of why I stopped my account - being a guest makes it a lot more tedious to post a comment, which gives time for a cooling off and an 'is it worth it' period... the downside is that any comment made cannot be deleted afterwards...
I have no idea what the supposed bullying was about though
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 17, 2012 16:53:22 GMT
Objectively I do not believe doktorb has been a victim of bullying
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Post by marksenior on Jun 17, 2012 17:55:38 GMT
I have no idea what the supposed bullying was about though , but his anti-Labour polemics were predictable and tedious in the extreme. rather like all the anti-LD polemics from all the Labour drones on here . |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 17, 2012 18:05:25 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is.
That's a shame.
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Post by Pimpernal on Jun 17, 2012 18:16:53 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is. That's a shame. Perhaps you could explain how dok was being bullied by posters then? I didn't notice it, and thought it was just me and him who had issues with each other... |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 17, 2012 18:18:14 GMT
I would agree with that. Shame on you Pete. You slippery bastard!  |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 17, 2012 18:32:46 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is. That's a shame. Perhaps you could explain how dok was being bullied by posters then? I didn't notice it, and thought it was just me and him who had issues with each other... I think I made it quite clear on my previous post where I connected it with what someone was doing to David Boothroyd. Using personal, not generalised information to get a negative reaction is bullying where you know that the circumstance involved with that information was traumatic to the individual. For me and you such personal information is not know to the forum at large, for those two people there is stuff that we all know about that is. When such circumstances are traumatic for people the very bringing of them up is a tool to get a reaction that has nothing to do with their politics. Your and Dok's feud is pretty unpleasant (especially when it spilled out to others) but unless the above has ever happened it's not bullying. |
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Post by Pimpernal on Jun 17, 2012 18:46:49 GMT
well I don't know anything about dok's personal circumstances - or DBIV's - apart from the wiki thing... don't really have too much interest in that sort of gossip tbh...
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 17, 2012 18:49:35 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is. That's a shame. I disagree. I understand what bullying is and I do not lack compassion on the subject. I did bring up the subject on the old board where there were one or two people who were damned as trolls and seemed to get it in the neck from almost everyone on the board. I think Benjamin Barton was bullied, annoying as he was. I think thats all thats happening in doktorbs case is that he is engaging in an absurd level of hyperbole and is naturally getting it back. Personally I hate the Labour party with a passion but I don;t see very much point in banging on about that fact every other post as i'm not going to convince anyone here. Its a cross-party forum and it works best when there is not lots of partisan invective. If you're going to engage in that then you can't really complain when you get it back. I'm afraid as far as the 'traumatic' experience goes, it is inevitable that there are going to be the occasional gentle diges about that, but I think that is all they are frankly |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 17, 2012 19:01:34 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is. That's a shame. I disagree. I understand what bullying is and I do not lack compassion on the subject. I did bring up the subject on the old board where there were one or two people who were damned as trolls and seemed to get it in the neck from almost everyone on the board. I think Benjamin Barton was bullied, annoying as he was. I think thats all thats happening in doktorbs case is that he is engaging in an absurd level of hyperbole and is naturally getting it back. Personally I hate the Labour party with a passion but I don;t see very much point in banging on about that fact every other post as i'm not going to convince anyone here. Its a cross-party forum and it works best when there is not lots of partisan invective. If you're going to engage in that then you can't really complain when you get it back. I'm afraid as far as the 'traumatic' experience goes, it is inevitable that there are going to be the occasional gentle diges about that, but I think that is all they are frankly I think when someone makes it clear that an experience (whatever it may be) was particularly difficult for them on an emotional level to bring it up specifically to get at a person can be regarded as bullying. The Dok certainly made that clear and struggled not only what the impact of his action had on himself but on others. The fact that others of us would have just shrugged that experience off is neither here nor there. That's why we should treat everone on here as an individual. Anyway I'm saying no more on this as we're completely off topic and I think I've made my point (and we keep going around in circles). |
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Post by Khunanup on Jun 17, 2012 20:32:42 GMT
You slippery bastard! that's deeply hurtful. I am going to delete my account and re register as a guest. That will show you. Or not. Nick Griffin is an arse, so is Joey Barton and Michael Barrymore, saying so does not elevate me to bully status. Dok is a bit precious. BTW, the bullying of Benjamin Barton? That was me and I was right. He was a sanctimonious little prat and needed told so.  |
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Post by john07 on Jun 17, 2012 21:37:24 GMT
Objectively, there is a severe lack of compassion on this forum and a lack of understanding of what bullying is. That's a shame. Perhaps you could explain how dok was being bullied by posters then? I didn't notice it, and thought it was just me and him who had issues with each other... I must have missed it too. All I can recall is someone posting to the effect that he 'was officially the most partisan poster' on the board. I replied saying 'No shit Sherlock'. After that he spat the dummy. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jun 17, 2012 21:53:45 GMT
Shame. He was quite an interesting contributor until his first flounce.
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Post by erlend on Jun 18, 2012 10:15:41 GMT
BB was bullied off. I am probably a bad person for not being terribly upset by it.
Doc is I feel very (overly?) sensitive. I did put up a link at one point when someone asked about the history. I got an immediate request to take it down. Which I did. I am happy not to have been the victim of the same treatment but hope I would have been able to shrug it off.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jun 18, 2012 22:47:04 GMT
I believe I was the individual who called him the most tribal member of the forum. I don't believe that was bullying, since we had an extensive discussion of this on the old forum around Christmas and nobody seems to have had their feelings particularly badly hurt by that. I would also put forward the defence that he undeniably was the most tribal member, albeit that his tribalism was anti-Labour more than pro-LD.
I don't think I bullied him, but I certainly came close to it a couple of times before thinking better of it and not posting the comment.
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) He had some highly useful stuff to contribute, when not in boilerplate mode. 
