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[andrew111]

Dec 9, 2019 17:39:28 GMT Richard Allen said:

Dec 9, 2019 14:17:30 GMT andrew111 said:

If you were to weight Brexit opinion by actuarial life expectancy under the chosen regime, Remain would win overwhelmingly. This is the thing that is so very wrong with what we are doing.

Hard to imagine why your loathsome little party is so unpopular with the voters.

I think you are having a lot of trouble imagining just how fucking pissed off most people aged 18-21 are with people like you

[andrew111]

Dec 9, 2019 20:19:50 GMT mrpastelito said:

Dec 9, 2019 17:20:36 GMT andrew111 said:

This is a generational change but the generation most affected is being ignored. THAT is the nauseating "we know best for you" bollocks from people who should have abstained on principle

The generation most affected in 1975 voted overwhelmingly Leave in 2016. Wonder why.

40 years of reading fake news in the Daily Mail.. It has an effect

[mrpastelito]

Awwwwwwww... suck it up

[andrewp]

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This reads two ways. First this really bad for Labour. BMG listed prospective leaders and asked who would you like as leader. 70% of respondents said I don't know. It cant even be said that it's a lack of recognition. 60% of respondents said they knew who Yvette Cooper is but only 8% said they would like her as leader.

The second way to read this is that the questions aren't very good. BMG list a number of policy areas and ask voters whether they thought the next leader should ditch the parties current position or continue with it. Respondents liked Labour's pitch on the NHS but not taxation. I think this is a pretty poor line of questioning because it's rather vague and disjointed. Labour are proposing to spend more on the NHS which ofc is popular but also wants to bring NHS services in house. Is that popular? If so its expensive and if our taxation policies aren't popular how do we fund that? Are there alternative taxation policies that would be popular enough to raise money for this or doed voters dissatisfaction with taxation outweigh their support for the NHS? More questions and no answers

[warofdreams]

Dec 23, 2019 18:16:33 GMT @priceofdawn said:

This reads two ways. First this really bad for Labour. BMG listed prospective leaders and asked who would you like as leader. 70% of respondents said I don't know. It cant even be said that it's a lack of recognition. 60% of respondents said they knew who Yvette Cooper is but only 8% said they would like her as leader.

The second way to read this is that the questions aren't very good. BMG list a number of policy areas and ask voters whether they thought the next leader should ditch the parties current position or continue with it. Respondents liked Labour's pitch on the NHS but not taxation. I think this is a pretty poor line of questioning because it's rather vague and disjointed. Labour are proposing to spend more on the NHS which ofc is popular but also wants to bring NHS services in house. Is that popular? If so its expensive and if our taxation policies aren't popular how do we fund that? Are there alternative taxation policies that would be popular enough to raise money for this or doed voters dissatisfaction with taxation outweigh their support for the NHS? More questions and no answers

I don't see it as overly worrying for Labour, the leadership debates haven't really begun and it's no surprise that most people have no idea who they'd most like as the party's next leader.  A BMG poll at a similar stage in the Conservative Party leadership contest saw 55% of respondents say they didn't know who they preferred, and despite being well-known and having been widely discussed as a potential leader for many years, Johnson was on 11% - still leading the poll.

The leadership election will give candidates a chance to make their pitch and get themselves better known, let's see how they do - no need to panic.

[greenchristian]

Dec 23, 2019 18:16:33 GMT @priceofdawn said:

The second way to read this is that the questions aren't very good. BMG list a number of policy areas and ask voters whether they thought the next leader should ditch the parties current position or continue with it. Respondents liked Labour's pitch on the NHS but not taxation. I think this is a pretty poor line of questioning because it's rather vague and disjointed. Labour are proposing to spend more on the NHS which ofc is popular but also wants to bring NHS services in house. Is that popular? If so its expensive and if our taxation policies aren't popular how do we fund that? Are there alternative taxation policies that would be popular enough to raise money for this or doed voters dissatisfaction with taxation outweigh their support for the NHS? More questions and no answers

It also runs into the problem that even just after a Westminster election, most people don't actually know what the major parties' policies are.

[casualobserver]

Dec 23, 2019 18:16:33 GMT @priceofdawn said:

This reads two ways. First this really bad for Labour. BMG listed prospective leaders and asked who would you like as leader. 70% of respondents said I don't know. It cant even be said that it's a lack of recognition. 60% of respondents said they knew who Yvette Cooper is but only 8% said they would like her as leader.

The second way to read this is that the questions aren't very good. BMG list a number of policy areas and ask voters whether they thought the next leader should ditch the parties current position or continue with it. Respondents liked Labour's pitch on the NHS but not taxation. I think this is a pretty poor line of questioning because it's rather vague and disjointed. Labour are proposing to spend more on the NHS which ofc is popular but also wants to bring NHS services in house. Is that popular? If so its expensive and if our taxation policies aren't popular how do we fund that? Are there alternative taxation policies that would be popular enough to raise money for this or doed voters dissatisfaction with taxation outweigh their support for the NHS? More questions and no answers

I’m shocked at that 1% score for Clive Lewis. Surely there can’t be that many people taken in by this man, whose sky-high self-regard puts even other politicians in the shade. I think of him as a second Robert Kilroy-Silk, but without the talent.

[maxque]

Dec 31, 2019 14:47:51 GMT casualobserver said:

Dec 23, 2019 18:16:33 GMT @priceofdawn said:

This reads two ways. First this really bad for Labour. BMG listed prospective leaders and asked who would you like as leader. 70% of respondents said I don't know. It cant even be said that it's a lack of recognition. 60% of respondents said they knew who Yvette Cooper is but only 8% said they would like her as leader.

The second way to read this is that the questions aren't very good. BMG list a number of policy areas and ask voters whether they thought the next leader should ditch the parties current position or continue with it. Respondents liked Labour's pitch on the NHS but not taxation. I think this is a pretty poor line of questioning because it's rather vague and disjointed. Labour are proposing to spend more on the NHS which ofc is popular but also wants to bring NHS services in house. Is that popular? If so its expensive and if our taxation policies aren't popular how do we fund that? Are there alternative taxation policies that would be popular enough to raise money for this or doed voters dissatisfaction with taxation outweigh their support for the NHS? More questions and no answers

I’m shocked at that 1% score for Clive Lewis. Surely there can’t be that many people taken in by this man, whose sky-high self-regard puts even other politicians in the shade. I think of him as a second Robert Kilroy-Silk, but without the talent.

I thought the second Kilroy-Silk was Chuka (he even had ChUK as his Vanitas).

[thinwhiteduke]

[AdminSTB]

Jan 13, 2020 22:47:40 GMT thinwhiteduke said:

First VI poll of this Parliament? No mention of the BxP or the Greens there.

[Tony Otim]

Jan 13, 2020 22:53:23 GMT AdminSTB said:

Jan 13, 2020 22:47:40 GMT thinwhiteduke said:

First VI poll of this Parliament? No mention of the BxP or the Greens there.

Greens are clearly up 6% - somebody has to be up 😉

[manchesterman]

What a worthwhile poll that is. Who the F**K sponsored that poll!?

[AdminSTB]

Jan 13, 2020 23:34:28 GMT manchesterman said:

What a worthwhile poll that is. Who the F**K sponsored that poll!?

We usually have a couple within a month or so of a general election.

[manchesterman]

Yes but what purpose can it possibly serve?

[AdminSTB]

Jan 13, 2020 23:42:52 GMT manchesterman said:

Yes but what purpose can it possibly serve?

I suppose you could ask that about any poll carried out right up until the 2024 campaign begins.

Consistency and academic interest, I suppose. For what they're worth we've had VI polls every month for several decades, regardless of what stage of a Parliament we're at. Gives the psephologists something to talk about, too.

[Deleted]

Whoever had more money than sense. Rather depressing to see us going backwards.

[bjornhattan]

Jan 13, 2020 23:33:45 GMT Tony Otim said:

Jan 13, 2020 22:53:23 GMT AdminSTB said:

First VI poll of this Parliament? No mention of the BxP or the Greens there.

Greens are clearly up 6% - somebody has to be up 😉

I reckon you might genuinely up 2% or so, partly because green issues are in the public consciousness right now due to Australia.

However, most of the change seen is because we aren't comparing like with like. Not standing everywhere will have led to the Brexit Party (and to a lesser extent your party) doing worse in the General Election than VI polls would imply. I think this change is mostly a correction.

[AdminSTB]

Jan 14, 2020 0:05:53 GMT @priceofdawn said:

Whoever had more money than sense. Rather depressing to see us going backwards.

That's quite normal after a general election defeat. Labour may get a boost when their new leader is elected.

[andrew111]

Jan 13, 2020 22:53:23 GMT AdminSTB said:

Jan 13, 2020 22:47:40 GMT thinwhiteduke said:

First VI poll of this Parliament? No mention of the BxP or the Greens there.

www.bmgresearch.co.uk/bmgs-westminster-voting-intention-results-january-2020/

Green 5, BXP 4, Ukip 2, others 4