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Post by marksenior on Dec 12, 2014 17:16:56 GMT
The Aylesbury results were relatively poor for UKIP . They had won both the similar CC divisions in 2013 and their candidate in Southcourt is the CC for virtuslly the same ward Over 15% gain and over 12% gain; second place to you in both and nearly took one off you. I bet you wish you could do that 'poorly' as often as we do? In 2013 UKIP won with 44.8% of the vote in the equivalent CC division to Gatehouse and in the equivalent division to Southcourt the same candidate as yesterday won with 35.1% . So dropped from 1st place to 2nd and vote share down substantially in both cases . |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 12, 2014 17:26:59 GMT
Over 15% gain and over 12% gain; second place to you in both and nearly took one off you. I bet you wish you could do that 'poorly' as often as we do? In 2013 UKIP won with 44.8% of the vote in the equivalent CC division to Gatehouse and in the equivalent division to Southcourt the same candidate as yesterday won with 35.1% . So dropped from 1st place to 2nd and vote share down substantially in both cases . Yes, there where you are entrenched and active and well organized our newer and far less well organized campaigns did not pull it off again. There and in a a good many other well worked areas. That was a good result for you and well done. Don't knock us on basis of one town, reflect upon why you lost to a scratch campaign on that previous occasion. Think about Gordon for instance.....and prepare to weep. |
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Post by Khunanup on Dec 12, 2014 18:12:35 GMT
It must be said Carlton, that on another site that the march of UKIP in Aylesbury has been put forward as inevitable nd that everyone else should just give up...
This has shown to be the ultimate in wishful thinking. And I will take a gain off Labour anyday of the week as things stand.
The word of the week this week is ceiling.
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 12, 2014 18:26:25 GMT
Some intriguing results with no obvious patterns, which may tell us that local elections are not necessarily a good guide to what will happen nationally.....and lets face it, they never have been
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Post by marksenior on Dec 12, 2014 18:42:05 GMT
It must be said Carlton, that on another site that the march of UKIP in Aylesbury has been put forward as inevitable nd that everyone else should just give up... This has shown to be the ultimate in wishful thinking. And I will take a gain off Labour anyday of the week as things stand. The word of the week this week is ceiling. Aylesbury is one of the 10 seats UKIP were said to have " won " in the 2013 CC elections so then there were 9 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2014 18:53:35 GMT
According to the SOPN was a straight Lab-Con fight - no other candidates. Lab 591 Con 81, apparently. Previous results in Skelmersdale North, for comparison: 2012 Lab 945 Con 109 2011 Lab 950 Con 168 2008 Lab 563 Ind 184 Con 148 2007 Lab 669 Con 197 2004 Lab 531 Ind 473 Con 157 2003 Lab 450 Ind 195 Con 92 2002 Lab 514/498 Ind 368/301 |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 12, 2014 22:06:08 GMT
It must be said Carlton, that on another site that the march of UKIP in Aylesbury has been put forward as inevitable nd that everyone else should just give up... This has shown to be the ultimate in wishful thinking. And I will take a gain off Labour anyday of the week as things stand. The word of the week this week is ceiling. Ceiling.....perhaps? But have you yet reached your ultimate floor? I think not! |
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Post by maxque on Dec 13, 2014 2:21:51 GMT
It must be said Carlton, that on another site that the march of UKIP in Aylesbury has been put forward as inevitable nd that everyone else should just give up... This has shown to be the ultimate in wishful thinking. And I will take a gain off Labour anyday of the week as things stand. The word of the week this week is ceiling. Ceiling.....perhaps? But have you yet reached your ultimate floor? I think not! I suspect they reached it. If some people still vote for them despite the Coalition and Clegg, what would make them change their vote? |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 13, 2014 3:08:33 GMT
Ceiling.....perhaps? But have you yet reached your ultimate floor? I think not! I suspect they reached it. If some people still vote for them despite the Coalition and Clegg, what would make them change their vote? Well, opting out of voting at all, going that further step to the Conservatives having supported the coalition and fearing a Labour win, attracting to Greens, a few even to UKIP, and the slow converters still going over to Labour for fear of another Conservative led coalition. It is down to the respective quality of campaigns. I think the LD campaign will be either a triumph or a disaster. The Labour campaign is probably going to be a mean-spirited chorus of class war and NHS stridency that will galvanize the faithful and turn the rest of us off. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 14, 2014 18:25:52 GMT
Some intriguing results with no obvious patterns, which may tell us that local elections are not necessarily a good guide to what will happen nationally.....and lets face it, they never have been Nor should they be. |
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Post by CHILTERNS on Dec 17, 2014 13:08:22 GMT
Over 15% gain and over 12% gain; second place to you in both and nearly took one off you. I bet you wish you could do that 'poorly' as often as we do? In 2013 UKIP won with 44.8% of the vote in the equivalent CC division to Gatehouse and in the equivalent division to Southcourt the same candidate as yesterday won with 35.1% . So dropped from 1st place to 2nd and vote share down substantially in both cases . : The Election result was based on the last 2011 District Council Elections, UKIP did not win these elections in 2011. They were won by the Lib Dems and Labour. The CC Elections were based on a divisional area in 2013, and yes UKIP won both. The UKIP vote has increased in both District seats and one seat Gatehouse was nearly won, missing out by 29 votes. A Senior Lib Dem former County Councillor said to all party tellers in Southcourt polling station: "It was your working class white indigenous voters that didn't come out to vote for you all, our ethnic voters did" speaking to UKIP, Conservative, Labour tellers. This really was below the belt and bringing race in to the conversation. On the bright side, the Lib Dems will not be able to bus their voters in and have 20+ Cllrs there in May 2015, they will all be panicking about their own backyards. Looking forward to them losing big time, not only in Locals but GE2015. One word: FINISHED! |
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Post by marksenior on Dec 17, 2014 16:42:51 GMT
In 2013 UKIP won with 44.8% of the vote in the equivalent CC division to Gatehouse and in the equivalent division to Southcourt the same candidate as yesterday won with 35.1% . So dropped from 1st place to 2nd and vote share down substantially in both cases . : The Election result was based on the last 2011 District Council Elections, UKIP did not win these elections in 2011. They were won by the Lib Dems and Labour. The CC Elections were based on a divisional area in 2013, and yes UKIP won both. The UKIP vote has increased in both District seats and one seat Gatehouse was nearly won, missing out by 29 votes. A Senior Lib Dem former County Councillor said to all party tellers in Southcourt polling station: "It was your working class white indigenous voters that didn't come out to vote for you all, our ethnic voters did" speaking to UKIP, Conservative, Labour tellers. This really was below the belt and bringing race in to the conversation. On the bright side, the Lib Dems will not be able to bus their voters in and have 20+ Cllrs there in May 2015, they will all be panicking about their own backyards. Looking forward to them losing big time, not only in Locals but GE2015. One word: FINISHED! Not sure what point all that drivel is supposed to be trying to make . The picture is clear . The UKIP vote increased dramatically between 2011 and 2013 and fell back substantially in the by elections to a higher level than in 2011 . I don't agree with you UKIP are not FINISHED in the area but their vote share will be down again next May probably below 2011 levels . |
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