South Yorkshire PCC

[Tony Otim]

I would guess that a large number of votes won't transfer anyway, so UKIP will need to be close-ish on 1st preferences to be in with a shout. I suspect that they'll probably come top in Rotherham and close in Doncaster, but a bit further back in Barnsley and the Labour vote in Sheffield will win it.

[Merseymike]

Whoever wins I hope there will be no further elections for these disastrous experimental jobs

[samdwebber]

Starting to regret my bet on a UKIP win reading today's comments! Agree it will be closer than West Midlands PCC Bye. If within 5% then that wouldn't be a bad result for UKIP though. UKIP will need every Tory/Eng Dem 2nd pref they can get to be in with a chance I guess.

[samdwebber]

Oct 29, 2014 17:39:12 GMT David Ashforth said:

Just a reminder of the results of the South Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner election in November 2012.

BARNSLEY
Labour            12,393 (56.19%)
English Democrats  2,996 (13.58%)
Conservative       2,940 (13.33%)
UKIP               2,400 (10.88%)
Liberal Democrats  1,325 ( 6.01%)

DONCASTER
Labour            17,017 (48.17%)
English Democrats  7,321 (20.72%)
Conservative       5,433 (15.38%)
UKIP               3,232 ( 9.14%)
Liberal Democrats  1,694 ( 4.79%)

ROTHERHAM
Labour            16,374 (51.14%)
English Democrat   5,034 (15.72%)
UKIP               4,737 (14.80%)
Conservative       4,660 (14.56%)
Liberal Democrats  1,211 ( 3.78%)

SHEFFIELD
Labour            28,831 (51.00%)
Conservative       8,042 (14.23%)
English Democrat   7,257 (12.84%)
UKIP               6,404 (11.33%)
Liberal Democrats  5,993 (10.60%)

SOUTH YORKSHIRE TOTAL
Labour            74,615 (51.35%)
English Democrats 22,608 (15.56%)
Conservatives     21,075 (14.51%)
UKIP              16,773 (11.54%)
Liberal Democrat  10,223 ( 7.04%)

Could someone add Euro election results for each of the 4 local authorities too as figures might be more useful to show strength or Lab /UKIP? Was a useful guide in predicting how close Heywood and Middleton would be in terms of UKIP strength in May 2014.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

The European Parliament results

Party	Barnsley	Doncaster	Rotherham	Sheffield
An Independence from Europe	1,165	1,679	1,207	2,397
British National Party	1,359	1,431	1,799	2,214
Conservative Party	5,729	9,747	7,472	15,329
English Democrats	1,201	1,809	829	1,309
Green Party	2,695	2,722	2,826	17,288
Labour Party	19,455	23,743	23,299	47,571
Liberal Democrats	1,142	1,869	1,343	14,299
NO2EU	170	365	220	452
UK Independence Party (UKIP)	19,026	24,240	27,949	39,139
Yorkshire First	1,119	1,537	1,175	1,506

[J.G.Harston]

I voted on the way home from work a few minutes ago. I was the 96th voter out of my polling district of 1600 or so. My rule of thumb in previous elections is that 1/3 of all voters have voted by lunchtime, and less than 1/4 vote after 7pm/8pm-ish. That gives a likely turnout of about 130-140 or 8.5%-ish. The clerks and presiding officer looked bored out of their skulls.

[Devonian]

Oct 30, 2014 18:11:03 GMT J.G.Harston said:

I voted on the way home from work a few minutes ago. I was the 96th voter out of my polling district of 1600 or so. My rule of thumb in previous elections is that 1/3 of all voters have voted by lunchtime, and less than 1/4 vote after 7pm/8pm-ish. That gives a likely turnout of about 130-140 or 8.5%-ish. The clerks and presiding officer looked bored out of their skulls.

I've seen other reports of a very low turnout, i.e. down on 2012.

Counting is tomorrow morning.

[neilm]

Friends tell me that at least two polling stations in Sheffield are under five per cent.

[Deleted]

Oct 30, 2014 10:28:58 GMT Merseymike said:

Whoever wins I hope there will be no further elections for these disastrous experimental jobs

And no more back to self-defined "community representatives" serving. One of the few ideas that is worse.

[andrea]

I can't do nice tabs from the ipad....anyway 2014 locals..

Barnsley

Lab 50.65
UKIP 14.79 (9 wards out of 21)
Con 14.52
Eng Dem 5.78 (7 wards, 6 of them without UKIP)
LD 0.41 (1 ward only)

Doncaster

Lab 38
UKIP 31.55
Con 12.71
LD 3.61
EngDem 2.38

Rotherham

UKIP 44.26
Lab 40.89
Con 9.54
LD 0.2 (1 ward)

Sheffield

Lab 36.49
UKIP 22.91
Con 7.1
LD 17,85
Greens 12.56

Totals

Lab 39.94
UKIP 27.76
Con 9.94
LD 8.54
Greens 5.95

[Andrew_S]

Oct 30, 2014 18:11:03 GMT J.G.Harston said:

I voted on the way home from work a few minutes ago. I was the 96th voter out of my polling district of 1600 or so. My rule of thumb in previous elections is that 1/3 of all voters have voted by lunchtime, and less than 1/4 vote after 7pm/8pm-ish. That gives a likely turnout of about 130-140 or 8.5%-ish. The clerks and presiding officer looked bored out of their skulls.

I don't know why they were bored. There are plenty of people who would be tremendously excited to do a job like that. For example, some of the members of this forum.

[peterl]

There are plenty of people who would be tremendously excited to do a job like that. For example, some of the members of this forum.

Not a difficult feat to achieve. I was a polling clerk in a tiny village in North Dorset for the 2012 PCC elections. Maybe 50 punters all day. I also did the 2011 district elections in Blandford. A little busier that time.

[Deleted]

Oct 30, 2014 23:45:06 GMT Andrew_S said:

Oct 30, 2014 18:11:03 GMT J.G.Harston said:

I voted on the way home from work a few minutes ago. I was the 96th voter out of my polling district of 1600 or so. My rule of thumb in previous elections is that 1/3 of all voters have voted by lunchtime, and less than 1/4 vote after 7pm/8pm-ish. That gives a likely turnout of about 130-140 or 8.5%-ish. The clerks and presiding officer looked bored out of their skulls.

I don't know why they were bored. There are plenty of people who would be tremendously excited to do a job like that. For example, some of the members of this forum.

It gets boring when you have no job to do because no one is turning up.

[Deleted]

With the amount of votes cast shouldn't the result be announced by now?

[Pimpernal]

Oct 31, 2014 9:58:58 GMT @barctom said:

With the amount of votes cast shouldn't the result be announced by now?

You have to factor in the time needed for enough extra ballot papers to be added to ensure that Labour wins no matter what the votes cast were...

[J.G.Harston]

Oct 30, 2014 23:48:38 GMT peterl said:

There are plenty of people who would be tremendously excited to do a job like that. For example, some of the members of this forum.

Not a difficult feat to achieve. I was a polling clerk in a tiny village in North Dorset for the 2012 PCC elections. Maybe 50 punters all day. I also did the 2011 district elections in Blandford. A little busier that time.

Yes, I applied to be a polling clerk in Whitby in 2011, but got dragged back into standing for election in Sheffield so had to pull out.

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Official Doncaster turnout figure is 15.24%, which is not substantially down on 2012.

[Merseymike]

Oct 30, 2014 20:44:22 GMT joe said:

Oct 30, 2014 10:28:58 GMT Merseymike said:

Whoever wins I hope there will be no further elections for these disastrous experimental jobs

And no more back to self-defined "community representatives" serving. One of the few ideas that is worse.

It wasn't like that before.

There were 17 members - 3 magistrates, and 8 councillors from the five boroughs. The six independent members weren't self-defined - the posts were publicly advertised and there was a pretty gruelling two stage procedure before being chosen.

We weren't 'representatives' - but were there to make sure that the 'lay' voice was considered, and all of us had some sort of interface with the police before and an active interest in the issues. We were also much more likely to be able to make a noise when necessary because we weren't beholden to a party position.

Indeed. I think we need more of this, not less - there are lots of people out there outside party politics who have a great deal of insight, knowledge and expertise, and I would like to see them used far more. As it is plain to see, just because we elect people says nothing about their quality and ability - and that goes for all the parties! America is obsessed with electing everything in sight yet that process encourages various types of swivel-eyed loon and tends to reflect vested interest. If there is one thing I am sure of its that the Bennite/Carswell obsession with elections needs avoiding.

[Deleted]

Oct 31, 2014 10:36:31 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Official Doncaster turnout figure is 15.24%, which is not substantially down on 2012.

could be very good news for UKIP, as they need to win big here, Rotherham and edge Labour out in Barnsley.

[timmullen1]

Oct 31, 2014 10:48:24 GMT Merseymike said:

Oct 30, 2014 20:44:22 GMT joe said:

And no more back to self-defined "community representatives" serving. One of the few ideas that is worse.

It wasn't like that before.

There were 17 members - 3 magistrates, and 8 councillors from the five boroughs. The six independent members weren't self-defined - the posts were publicly advertised and there was a pretty gruelling two stage procedure before being chosen.

We weren't 'representatives' - but were there to make sure that the 'lay' voice was considered, and all of us had some sort of interface with the police before and an active interest in the issues. We were also much more likely to be able to make a noise when necessary because we weren't beholden to a party position.

Indeed. I think we need more of this, not less - there are lots of people out there outside party politics who have a great deal of insight, knowledge and expertise, and I would like to see them used far more. As it is plain to see, just because we elect people says nothing about their quality and ability - and that goes for all the parties! America is obsessed with electing everything in sight yet that process encourages various types of swivel-eyed loon and tends to reflect vested interest. If there is one thing I am sure of its that the Bennite/Carswell obsession with elections needs avoiding.

One thing I would add is that there does need to be more autonomy from the Home Office than previously existed; I was told by a former Vice Chairman of Staffordshire Police Authority of the time they were given pre-completed voting papers by the Home Office "observer" when choosing a new Chief Constable and any dissenting votes went the way of Vatican Conclave ballot papers.