Harry Hayfield
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Nov 1, 2014 15:32:18 GMT
Could I draw member's attention to the local area result in Sheffield: Lab 57% (+6%), UKIP 25% (+14%), Con 12% (-2%), Eng Dems % (-8%). Lab HOLD, 4% swing to Lab to UKIP
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2014 16:00:45 GMT
Struggle to see the much bandied 65% lab vote in hallam being true if they are managing well less than that city wide.
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Merseymike
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 1, 2014 16:08:37 GMT
If the Ukip vote came from working class areas it really isn't that hard. The Tory vote was lamentable
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2014 16:19:34 GMT
Struggle to see the much bandied 65% lab vote in hallam being true if they are managing well less than that city wide. I would have thought that it (if true) it would be down to the Lib Dems not standing a candidate? |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 16:31:37 GMT
Given the results of Heywood and Middleton, which is demographically fairly similar to Donny, Barnsley and Rotherham I would have thought, this rather answers the question of whether ukip voters are low or high turnout biased. Both elections had low turnouts. There are several other problems with this 'argument', but that one will do... |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 16:33:06 GMT
brain-dead tribal Labour vote of the type that says 'my dad voted Labour and his dad before him' but then given the particular political history of this area (especially in relation to the connection with the coal mining industry) this tendency is likely to be more alive here than almost anywhere else in England UKIP candidate calls good honest working class people 'brain dead' because they didn't vote for his party. |
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Post by iain on Nov 1, 2014 16:34:00 GMT
Struggle to see the much bandied 65% lab vote in hallam being true if they are managing well less than that city wide. I would have thought that it (if true) it would be down to the Lib Dems not standing a candidate? In a posh area like this, in a clear Lab-UKIP fight, it would not remotely surprise me to see a Labour vote this high. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 16:41:39 GMT
For the record, the percentage White British (et al) per borough:
Barnsley - 96.1
Rotherham - 91.9
Doncaster - 91.8
Sheffield - 80.8
Middle class areas (not that there are many, but they do exist) in the first three boroughs are not exactly Grauniad territory and are notably anti-Labour for the most part.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 16:45:47 GMT
Constituency figures would be pretty dubious for obviously reasons (and most numbers are probably bullshit), but I suspect most of the remaining Sheffield LibDems sat this one out. The Tories are still strong-ish in the truly posh parts of Hallam, but the remainder is a university-infused Tory dead zone.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 16:57:20 GMT
It is just that this is being replaced by liberal-left ex LD voters. That much surely is obvious. How many 'liberal-left ex LD voters' do you think there are in South Yorkshire outside West Sheffield, Joe? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2014 17:19:07 GMT
Its not difficult to imagine though that on a 15% turnout, mostly comprised of postal votes, some elements of the electorate might be much more heavily represented than they are in the population overall, is it?
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Nov 1, 2014 17:22:10 GMT
If you mean 'pensioners with postal votes', sure.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 1, 2014 17:28:40 GMT
I mean whoever
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 1, 2014 17:55:40 GMT
Comparing 2012 with 2014. | Authority | Lab | UKIP | C | ED | L Dem | | Barnsley 2012 | 12,393 | 2,400 | 2,940 | 2,996 | 1,325 | | Barnsley 2014 | 10,877 | 6,609 | 2,672 | 1,288 | - | | Barnsley changes | –5.5 | +19.9 | –0.9 | -7.6 | N/A | | Doncaster 2012 | 17,017 | 3,232 | 5,433 | 7,321 | 1,694 | | Doncaster 2014 | 15,310 | 11,380 | 4,730 | 2,314 | - | | Doncaster changes | –2.8 | +24.6 | –1.4 | –13.9 | N/A | | Rotherham 2012 | 16,374 | 4,737 | 4,660 | 5,034 | 1,211 | | Rotherham 2014 | 15,006 | 14,228 | 3,936 | 2,044 | - | | Rotherham changes | –8.5 | +25.6 | –3.4 | –9.9 | N/A | | Sheffield 2012 | 28,831 | 6,404 | 8,042 | 7,257 | 5,993 | | Sheffield 2014 | 32,867 | 14,686 | 7,198 | 2,937 | - | | Sheffield changes | +6.0 | +14.1 | –1.8 | –7.7 | N/A |
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J.G.Harston
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 1, 2014 23:06:30 GMT
For the record, the percentage White British (et al) per borough: Ahem! Sheffield is a city, not a borough. If you want a generic noun that refers to all four South Yorkshire councils, the correct word is "district", "council" or "local authority". |
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Post by La Fontaine on Nov 1, 2014 23:16:59 GMT
For the record, the percentage White British (et al) per borough: Ahem! Sheffield is a city, not a borough. If you want a generic noun that refers to all four South Yorkshire councils, the correct word is "district", "council" or "local authority". All four are metropolitan boroughs under the 1972 Local Government Act. Sheffield is also a city, under completely different provisions. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 1, 2014 23:25:19 GMT
Ahem! Sheffield is a city, not a borough. If you want a generic noun that refers to all four South Yorkshire councils, the correct word is "district", "council" or "local authority". All four are metropolitan boroughs under the 1972 Local Government Act. Sheffield is also a city, under completely different provisions. All four are metropolitan districts under the 1972 Local Government Act Sheffield is The City Of Sheffield Metropolitan District Council. That's what it says on the big legal document hanging on the wall in the Town Hall lobby. (Edit: and I'll have to dig one out to check, but also on the Council Summons covers) ((Edit, just checked, and yes it does)) |
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Post by La Fontaine on Nov 1, 2014 23:59:43 GMT
All four are metropolitan boroughs under the 1972 Local Government Act. Sheffield is also a city, under completely different provisions. All four are metropolitan districts under the 1972 Local Government Act Sheffield is The City Of Sheffield Metropolitan District Council. That's what it says on the big legal document hanging on the wall in the Town Hall lobby. (Edit: and I'll have to dig one out to check, but also on the Council Summons covers) ((Edit, just checked, and yes it does)) |
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Post by Merseymike on Nov 2, 2014 0:03:16 GMT
I would have thought that it (if true) it would be down to the Lib Dems not standing a candidate? In a posh area like this, in a clear Lab-UKIP fight, it would not remotely surprise me to see a Labour vote this high. Particularly as the Tory vote collapsed - and there are wards in Hallam where the Tories do have a bedrock of support. There are a lot of academics and public sector workers. If I was the Labour candidate I think there is plenty of mileage for a good campaign |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 2:26:28 GMT
All four are metropolitan boroughs under the 1972 Local Government Act. Sheffield is also a city, under completely different provisions. All four are metropolitan districts under the 1972 Local Government Act Sheffield is The City Of Sheffield Metropolitan District Council. That's what it says on the big legal document hanging on the wall in the Town Hall lobby. (Edit: and I'll have to dig one out to check, but also on the Council Summons covers) ((Edit, just checked, and yes it does)) It is in fact a district, a borough and a city. Districts are established by the provisions of the 1972 Act, and borough and city status is established by royal charter. Here is John Silkin confirming to Alan Beith that Sheffield (and all the other met districts) have been granted borough status: hansard.millbanksystems.com/written_answers/1974/mar/28/district-councils-and-boroughs#S5CV0871P0_19740328_CWA_145 |
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