cefin
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Post by cefin on Sept 23, 2014 16:31:01 GMT
Yes, controlled by the group that has created the toxic atmosphere... Don't Standards Boards have a majority of non-Elected Member membership, and are Chaired by one of those Lay Members? Certainly ours is, and I assumed that was mandatory.
That's correct, having just given evidence at a 6 hour hearing of our standards committee which saw the chairman of my ward community council suspended for the maximum 6 month period following my initiation of a complaint against him to the Public Services Ombudsman there were 2 county councillors and about 5 or 6 independent lay members of the public comprising the committee.
Despite the local community council interpreting this mostly independent composition as "councillors looking after their own" judging by their comments on hearing the news of their colleagues suspension I'm struggling to see how anyone can make such an assumption as that suggested by them and the poster above who seems to offering a similar view.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 24, 2014 18:34:21 GMT
I know Sam well and what he has had to put up with at the county council is appalling. Note that he's only stepped back from the county council and not Mendip where the culture has been far less febrile. Why should any gay councillor have to put up with homophobic abuse, and any young councillor have to put up with being patronised and ignored just because they are young? Sam worked his arse off to do what he's done, he's not giving it up without good reason! Of course we don't know all the details but no one should have to put up with homophobic abuse, I don't think resigning is the right course of action though, reporting it to the correct authorities is. Though he says the abuse was not coming from a county councillor or member of staff, but from others involved in county politics. In any case, he also refers to taking time off work as a consequence of this abuse. If continuing to serve as a councillor is having a negative impact upon your health, I think it's perfectly reasonable to no longer want to be a councillor. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 24, 2014 18:59:57 GMT
Quite so. No one has to put up with abuse (of any sort) and sometimes the best way to deal with the problem is just to quit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:11:45 GMT
Perhaps, if I were him I would be up for a fight. We can't all give in to this sort of behaviour or ultimately it will continue.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:33:08 GMT
Perhaps, if I were him I would be up for a fight. We can't all give in to this sort of behaviour or ultimately it will continue. As I probably would. But we're all different, & react to abuse in different ways. Good luck to him. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 24, 2014 19:54:42 GMT
Perhaps, if I were him I would be up for a fight. We can't all give in to this sort of behaviour or ultimately it will continue. I've no doubt he's up for a fight sometimes - his resignation statement was certainly combative. But fighting all the time is mentally exhausting and I don't think you can fault him for wanting to sometimes not have to fight. |
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Post by BossMan on Sept 24, 2014 21:21:58 GMT
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Post by Ben Walker on Sept 25, 2014 22:10:35 GMT
Hemnall's a Lib Dem gain.
LDEM - 607 43.3% (+7.2)
CON - 386 27.6% (-14.3)
UKIP - 339 24.2% (+16.1)
GRN - 69 4.9% (+1.3)
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Post by marksenior on Sept 25, 2014 22:56:50 GMT
Lib Dems have gained Guildford Lovelace full figures LD 555 Con 225 UKIP 63 Lab 32
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Post by mrhell on Sept 25, 2014 23:03:34 GMT
Rather odd result. Sadly less unlikely the Tories have gained Frome.
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Post by marksenior on Sept 25, 2014 23:06:53 GMT
Rather odd result. Sadly less unlikely the Tories have gained Frome. I believe local Conservative plans to build several thousand houses on local green belt land was rather unpopular |
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Post by independentukip on Sept 25, 2014 23:20:00 GMT
Rather odd result. Sadly less unlikely the Tories have gained Frome. I believe local Conservative plans to build several thousand houses on local green belt land was rather unpopular Where do the local Liberal Democrats want those thousands of homes to be built? |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 25, 2014 23:24:59 GMT
I believe local Conservative plans to build several thousand houses on local green belt land was rather unpopular Where do the local Liberal Democrats want those thousands of homes to be built? Generally not on greenbelt. To be honest, in most parts of the country, not building on greenbelt isn't really terribly difficult and still providing the housing the country needs. |
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 25, 2014 23:38:24 GMT
Where do the local Liberal Democrats want those thousands of homes to be built? Generally not on greenbelt. To be honest, in most parts of the country, not building on greenbelt isn't really terribly difficult and still providing the housing the country needs. According to Andrew Teale's preview the site for the housing was the closed Wisley Airfield, although it does appear vto show up on the ward map. |
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Post by independentukip on Sept 25, 2014 23:44:38 GMT
Where do the local Liberal Democrats want those thousands of homes to be built? Generally not on greenbelt. To be honest, in most parts of the country, not building on greenbelt isn't really terribly difficult and still providing the housing the country needs. You'd've been better being honest in saying you don't know anything about it rather than referring to a rather convenient generality that any party could and does come up with regularly. Perhaps the local Liberal Democrats object to the housing because they want the land to be used for wind turbines. |
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Post by independentukip on Sept 25, 2014 23:48:29 GMT
Generally not on greenbelt. To be honest, in most parts of the country, not building on greenbelt isn't really terribly difficult and still providing the housing the country needs. According to Andrew Teale's preview the site for the housing was the closed Wisley Airfield, although it does appear vto show up on the ward map. I'm certainly no expert but on the surface that seems a plausible place for lots of wind turbines. |
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Sept 25, 2014 23:53:48 GMT
Generally not on greenbelt. To be honest, in most parts of the country, not building on greenbelt isn't really terribly difficult and still providing the housing the country needs. You'd've been better being honest in saying you don't know anything about it rather than referring to a rather convenient generality that any party could and does come up with regularly. Perhaps the local Liberal Democrats object to the housing because they want the land to be used for wind turbines. I thought you were talking generally not specifically. Obviously I don't know a) if the local Lib Dems think that these extra homes are actually needed at allor b) if they do where they should be built instead. What I do know is that in swathes of the South East Tory run councils are more happy to build on green belt because it's cheaper and easier than actuallt putting housing where it's needed/using non-greenbelt land which is a bit more costly to develop. They don't exactly tend to be the most innovative councils having been dominated by one party for so long/have huge majorities. This result just goes to show you shouldn't take your habitual supporters for granted. Nothing wrong with onshore wind farms in the right place (ie where they can catch the most wind). Off shore is generally best though. |
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Post by andrewp on Sept 26, 2014 0:04:37 GMT
Somerset Cc, Frome North result
Con 1111, Lib Dem 836, Lab 163, Ind 139, Green 139
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Post by middleenglander on Sept 26, 2014 0:10:23 GMT
Epping Forest, Hemnall - Liberal Democrat gain from Conservative| Party | 2014 B votes | 2014 B share | since 2014 | since 2012 | since 2011 | since 2010 | | Liberal Democrat | 607 | 43.3% | +0.8% | -6.0% | +7.2% | -3.2% | | Conservative | 386 | 27.6% | +6.5% | +0.8% | -14.3% | -10.9% | | UKIP | 339 | 24.2% | -1.4% | +10.6% | +16.1% | +17.6% | | Green | 69 | 4.9% | +0.6% | from nowhere | +1.3% | +3.2% | | Labour | |
| -6.4% | -10.2% | -10.2% | -6.7% | | Total votes | 1,401 |
| 70% | 78% | 62% | Row 7 column 7 |
Swing Liberal Democrat to Conservative ~2½% / 3% since 2014 & 2012 but Conservative to Liberal Democrat 3½% / 4% since 2011 & 2010 Guildford, Lovelace - Liberal Democrat gain from Conservative| Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2011 | since 2007 | since 2003 | | Liberal Democrat | 555 | 63.4% | +49.1% | +42.7% | +45.7% | | Conservative | 225 | 25.7% | -45.3% | -43.7% | -36.4% | | UKIP | 63 | 7.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour | 32 | 3.7% | -11.0% | -6.2% | -16.5% | | Total votes | 875 |
| 96% | 98% | 86% |
Swing over 40% Conservative to Liberal Democrat from 2011,2007 & 2003 Somerset, Frome North - Conservative gain from Liberal Democrat| Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2013 | | Conservative | 1,111 | 46.5% | +10.8% | | Liberal Democrat | 836 | 35.0% | -2.3% | | Labour | 163 | 6.8% | -3.9% | | Green | 139 | 5.8% | from nowhere | | Independent | 139 | 5.8% | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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| -16.2% | | Total votes | 2,388 |
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Swing Liberal Democrat to Conservative 6½% since 2013
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Post by maxque on Sept 26, 2014 8:18:28 GMT
linkThat local news article might explain the Guildford result. The Guildford Tories didn't campaigned for the Conservative candidate and were opposed to him being selected as a candidate. They had no control over the selection through, since the ward is in the Mole Valley constituency and so he was selected by the Mole Valley Conservatives.
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