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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 3, 2014 22:21:09 GMT
I hope that 1962/3 will be posted (in due course)...to view the extent of the 'Orpington blip'. Well, here you are with 1962. Lots of small Liberal groups have indeed appeared. |
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Post by Tangent on Sept 3, 2014 22:52:39 GMT
Interesting to see the councils where the Liberals were the largest party - all in the pennines except for one in Cardiganshire. Mossley 14 Lib 9 Con 1 Lab Huddersfield 28 Lib 16 Con 14 Lab Bacup 10 Lib 8 Lab 6 Con Rochdale 17 Lib 16 Lab 13 Con Aberayron 7 Lib 3 Lab 1 Con Huddersfield is not so surprising as it returned one of the few Liberal MPs at that time - Rochdale is somewhat more so as this is before the byelection which I thought had kick-started the Liberal revival in Rochdale which lasted up to a couple of years ago. Mossley and Bacup are not areas that I associate with Liberal strength these days, though perhaps the continued strnegth of Indepepndents in Mossley is a hangover from the Liberal past (IIRC they tended not to be opposed by LIb Dems) It seems there is also Flintshire - Lib 31 Con 21 Lab 21 Ind 7. Any idea what that was all about, given they have *never* done much there at GEs? Possibly, the Gladstones at Hawarden - who were, and are, notable landowners in the area - helped shore up the Liberals locally. |
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 4, 2014 11:17:00 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 4, 2014 11:21:34 GMT
Many thanks for posting 1962. Much appreciated. Wonder if some submissions were pre May elections? The Libs won their first seat on Horsforth UDC! It's what appeared in the Municipal Year Book for 1962. My understanding is that the book is published in the autumn so it would presumably have been compiled after the elections of 1961 but long before those of 1962. |
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Post by hullenedge on Sept 4, 2014 18:44:18 GMT
Thanks. The old Halifax Almanacks were published after the November municipal elections (pre 1949).
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2014 13:44:36 GMT
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 7, 2014 19:53:56 GMT
We now come to the 1964 Municipal Yearbook party compositions. The Municipal Yearbook has now helpfully separated the County Boroughs from the Non-County Boroughs. The Liberals have now taken minority control of Southport; while some of the refusals to provide information are becoming surprising (Manchester, Walsall, Croydon). Labour's hold on Smethwick CB looks a bit dodgy... |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 9, 2014 23:01:33 GMT
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 10, 2014 10:31:17 GMT
Labour doubles in size to become joint largest party in Whitby UDC. I wonder if they can take control before being abolished. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2014 17:14:50 GMT
Crosby Council has 34 Conservative and 8 Labour councillors. And a few residents - wonder which ward they sat for? Every one of those seats now returns a Labour councillor, in terms of the equivalent areas, although there might be some smaller sub-sections of the present wards which may just about stretch to a Conservative. Only one or two, though. All glory is fleeting. Only takes a labour government to be in for a cpl of terms during the bad times! The Tories are really nowhere in sight now, though, other than in the Formby wards (which weren't in the Crosby UDC area) and Blundellsands, which was. The other Crosby areas are Labour vs LibDem |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 10, 2014 18:27:09 GMT
The Alderman issue is an interesting one, isn't it? I know that in Birmingham they were always split between the big parties (and members with leadership posts were generally Aldermen), but was there more of a winner-takes-all mentality in other boroughs? There was an 'issue' with that in 19th century Manchester and Liverpool, but that was long ago and far away by this point.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 10, 2014 20:57:52 GMT
The Tories are really nowhere in sight now, though, other than in the Formby wards (which weren't in the Crosby UDC area) and Blundellsands, which was. The other Crosby areas are Labour vs LibDem still all glory is fleeting in 30 years from now it could be very different. Opening ship canal Liverpool being done up, higher proportion of private enterprise! I think you are being somewhat over-optimistic - that has already happened to an extent but the Tory vote hasn't increased. To an extent the old Crosby Tory vote is literally dying off, and an area like Maghull which used to return Tories and if it were down South would be safely Tory has Tories down in fourth with just 8% of the vote in the Molyneux ward |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 10, 2014 22:07:49 GMT
Here is the 1966 Municipal Yearbook party compositions chapter. Reflecting the local elections of 1965, and also the reorganisation of London government. One trend over the ten years is the gradual decline and elimination of the local pact parties - there are some left, for instance the Citizen Party in Bristol and the Progressives in Glasgow, but they have not long to last. Some interesting local parties are cropping up, for instance the Hotels Association in Paignton UDC. |
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 11, 2014 11:37:42 GMT
I think you are being somewhat over-optimistic - that has already happened to an extent but the Tory vote hasn't increased. To an extent the old Crosby Tory vote is literally dying off, and an area like Maghull which used to return Tories and if it were down South would be safely Tory has Tories down in fourth with just 8% of the vote in the Molyneux ward I'm just saying nothing last forever. Look at London docklands took twenty years But there is really no evidence at all that hedge fund traders are heading for the Liverpool suburbs..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 12:08:14 GMT
Liverpool will never be conservative as the views of the population are incompatible with the vision we have for how people should behave and what they should want.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Sept 11, 2014 12:29:19 GMT
I think it's more that Liverpool will never be Conservative because in their heart of hearts, and sometimes openly, too many Tories really do not want it to be.
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Post by neilm on Sept 11, 2014 13:13:49 GMT
Well, quite.
The Docklands analogy isn't necessarily great because we've not yet seen a Tory takeover at Tower Hamlets.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Sept 12, 2014 20:15:55 GMT
It's now 1967 and the Municipal Yearbook for 1967 is reporting the compositions after the 1966 local elections. With Labour in government, it's losing councillors and has lost control of Birmingham. In the meanwhile there have been some local government reorganisations in Teesside and the Black Country. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 12, 2014 20:31:56 GMT
It's now 1967 and the Municipal Yearbook for 1967 is reporting the compositions after the 1966 local elections. With Labour in government, it's losing councillors and has lost control of Birmingham. In the meanwhile there have been some local government reorganisations in Teesside and the Black Country. One day Worcestershire shall rise again and reclaim its lost lands! |
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Post by Richard Allen on Sept 13, 2014 0:08:06 GMT
It's now 1967 and the Municipal Yearbook for 1967 is reporting the compositions after the 1966 local elections. With Labour in government, it's losing councillors and has lost control of Birmingham. In the meanwhile there have been some local government reorganisations in Teesside and the Black Country. One day Worcestershire shall rise again and reclaim its lost lands! That would result in some hilarious county boundaries running through Birmingham. |
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