Edmonton

[finsobruce]

Jun 8, 2014 18:59:46 GMT Sibboleth said:

Socialist would presumably be SDF?

presume so as per David's post, but I guess some could also be independent socialists?? 

[neilm]

The SDF was Hyndman's party, I think?

[finsobruce]

Jun 9, 2014 0:58:13 GMT neilm said:

The SDF was Hyndman's party, I think?

It was - but his control freakery and jingoism caused it to split on several occasions with most leading lights ending up in the Labour Party or the British Socialist party , forerunner of the Communist party. It carried on in its re-created form until the 30s I think, but to no great point. 

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1908

Bury St Ward
Oliver, J E (ILP) 473 *
Platten, S (Ratepayers) 368 *
Pettipierre, L (Ratepayers) 361 *
Townley, A (ILP) 350
Barrass, Mrs (ILP) 300
Hart, C (Ratepayers) 296
Bye, H (Socialist) 213
Pearson, D (Socialist) 206

Church St Ward
Masson, F (ILP) 532*
Cull, F (Ratepayers) 490*
Cullingford, F (Ratepayers) 404*
Maton, J (ILP) 379
Strong, H (Ratepayers) 378
Barnes, H (Socialist) 289
Winser, A (ILP) 258
Hines, G (Socialist) 199

Fore St Ward
Whitehead (Trades & Labour)597*
Vincent (ILP) 483*
Middleton (Ratepayers) 427*
Bush (Ratepayers) 307
Wiliams (Socialist) 261
Switzer (Socialist) 183

In a strained world cup link, Sepp Blatter was being romantically linked with a Mrs Barrass earlier this year. The Labour annual of 1908 has the Edmonton Mrs Barrass living at 356 Hertford Road. Switzer appears to be a Swiss name. 

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Edmonton UDC 1909

Bury St ward
Wyman, George (Ratepayers) 498*
Monk, Albert (Ratepayers) 483*
Wonnacott, Rev B (Ratepayers) 430*
Chinn, Louis (Trades & Labour) 337
Hines, George (Trades & Labour) 310
Pearson (Trades & Labour) 299

Church St ward
Sanders, Rev E A B (Independent) 594*
Bethell, Frank (Independent) 588*
Russell, Ernest D (Ratepayers) 522*
Edmunds, Wm Arnold (Ratepayers) 497
Lacey, Frederick G (Ratepayers) 482
Barnes, Hazel (Independent) 304
Winser , Arthur (Trades & Labour) 177
Watts, William (Trades & Labour) 141
Awcock, W (Trades & Labour) 114

Fore St ward
Lacey, Fred G (Ratepayers) 482*
Sorell, Charles (Ratepayers) 475*
Varley, John w (Independent) 440*
Collings, Rev T C  (Independent)351
Broom, Henry E (Ratepayers) 312
Williams, Walter ( Trades & Labour) 223
Switzer, George ( Trades & Labour) 221
Gibbons, Henry W ( Trades & Labour) 182
Farran, Arthur (Independent) 104

Can't be sure if Collings had become an Independent at this stage or this was a misprint for ILP. Seems odd that Farran would get so much less than the other Indies if they were standing together. 

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1910

Bury St ward
Barrass, H (Independent Progressive) 605*
Williams, C F( Progressive) 599*
Wyman, C F (Ratepayers) 423*
Hart, C (Ratepayers) 389
Bye, H C (Trades and Labour) 379
Sinkin, J (Progressive) 358
Mills, W (Ratepayers) 311
Taylor, G (Trades and labour)265

Church St ward
Dale, E A (Independent) 664*
Snelling, H H (Ratepayers) 454*
LeMare, H (Ratepayers) 449
Barnes, H (Independent) 443
Benjafield, W B (Ratepayers) 411

Fore St ward
Green, R (Progressive) 655*
Cornish, W B (Independent) 564*
Summers, J (Trades and Labour)384*
Cadman, M (Independent) 373
Southerden, J E (Progressive) 373
Tracey, F (Trades and Labour) 362
Brown, H E ( Ratepayers) 346
Hines, G (Trades and Labour) 325

The return of the Progressives from wherever they had been hiding.

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1911

Bury St Ward
Oliver, J E (Progressive) 650*
Simkin,J (Progressive) 587*
Anthony, J (Independent) 474*
Platten, S H ( Ratepayers) 341
Pettiemore, D W C (Ratepayers) 339
Taylor, G (Trades & Labour) 310
Dornfield, A C (Independent) 286
Stephens, F (Ratepayers) 282
Bowman, H (Trades and labour) 280
White, A (Ratepayers) 212

Church St Ward
Shortland, A E (Independent) 645*
Taylor, J W (Ratepayers) 509*
Cull, W A (Ratepayers) 508*
Barnes, H (Indpendent) 498
Martin, W (Progressive) 449
Mason, J W (Progressive) 444

Fore St ward
Vincent, F (Progressive) 558*
Cadman, M (Ratepayers) 495*
Bird, B J (Ratepayers) 486*
Maton, J (Progressive) 465
Whitehead, J (Trades and Labour) 447
Hatch, W (Ratepayers) 401
Lacey, F (Trades and Labour) 392
Sheppard, J H (Trades and Labour) 214

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Edmonton UDC 1912

Bury St ward
Wyman, G (Ratepayers) 571*
Platten, G H (Ratepayers) 522*
Hart, C (Ratepayers) 444*
Brown, H (Independent) 356
Winser, A (Progressive) 261
Taylor, G (Trades and Labour) 249
Bennett, A P (Progressive) 247
Sage, R (Progressive) 244
Mattocks, A E (Trades and Labour) 209
Morley, H C (Trades and Labour)

Church St ward
Sanders, Preb E (Independent) 508*
Warren, Rev T (Progressive) 449*
Mabbott, C W (Ratepayers) 423*
Russell, E D (Ratepayers) 407
Martin, W (Progressive) 371
Mason, F W (Independent) 355
Barnes, H (Independent) 280
Bethell, F (Independent) 266
Tweedy, W (Independent) 189

Fore St ward
Sorrell, C (Ratepayers) 539*
Hatch, W (Ratepayers) 517*
Kilbride, J A (Ratepayers) 458*
Varley, J W (Progressive) 414
Maton, J W (Progressive) 413
Lacey, F (Trades & Labour) 381
Broad, F A (Trades & Labour) 333
Lee, W H (Progressive) 324

Winser is the second former ILP candidate (along with Oliver) to now re-appear under the Progressive label. Candidates are also standing in successive years (Hatch, Platten) trying to get elected as Neil M wondered a while back. Note also the appearance of Frank Broad who was later elected as the first Labour MP for Edmonton (1921-31) and (1935-45)

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1913


Bury St ward
Barrass, H (Progressive) 731*
Elms, W C (Tradesmans Assoc) 661*
Williams, H (Progressive) 618*
Barnes, H (Independent) 247
Summers (Trades & labour) 229
Iddins, F (Trades & Labour) 148

Church St ward
Martin, W (Progressive) 674*
Le Mare, H P (Ratepayers) 596*
Russell, E D (Ratepayers) 583*

Fore St ward
Cornish, W D (Independent) 766*
Sanders, S J (Independent) 581*
Green, R (Progressive) 556*
Broad, F A (Trades and Labour) 355
Freeman, F (Progressive) 323
Shepard, T H (Trades and Labour) 321

Only Church St ward winners are listed, which suggests an error, although candidates much down this year

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1914

Bury St ward
Anthony, JA (Tradesmans Assoc) 703*
Oliver, J E (Progressives) 564*
Bann, H (Ratepayers) 521*
Simkin, (Progressives) 458
Sears, E (Ratepayers) 376
Watts, W (Trades & labour) 252
Olive, P (Trades & Labour) 231
Charters, A E (Trades & Labour) 189
Newman, E H A ( Independent) 143

Church St ward
Taylor, J W (Independent) 715*
Cull, W A (Tradesmans Assoc) 703*
Shortland, A E (Tradesmans Assoc) 638*
Hammond, T J (Ratepayers) 329
Lainchbury, L F (Trades & Labour) 264
Morley, H C (Trades & labour ) 252
Fruin, A J (Ratepayers) 149

Fore St ward
Vincent, F (Progressive) 509*
Cadman, M F (Ratepayers) 475*
Berriman, S N snr (Ratepayers) 474*
Bird, H J (Ratepayers) 455
Gain, C G (Trades & Labour) 287
Switzer, G (Trades & Labour) 271
Evans, W (Trades & labour) 253
Edwards, F W (Trades & Labour) 240
Eusden, G (Trades & Labour) 209

As elections were in November IIRC, these would have been after the declaration of war, which is a sobering thought. Not sure if the Tradesmans and Ratepayers candidates were in a pact or standing against each other, or why there were so many Trades and Labour candidates in Fore St. It could be another transcription error or something else. 

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1915

Bury St ward
Wyman, G (Ratepayers) 390*
Barrass, H jnr (Labour) 362*
Platten, S H (Ratepayers) 350*
Hart, C G (Ratepayers) 316
Chinn, L W (Labour) 287
Bird, H J (Independent) 189
Manning, J (Independent)

Only one ward listed, when there must have been elections in all three (?). Records go on to say there were no local elections in 1917 and 1918. Doesn't mention 1916. First labour party candidates here are former ILP'ers.

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1919

Bury St ward
Deffee, A (Independent) 776*
Barrass, H (Independent) 695*
Elms, W C (Tradesmans & Ratepayers) 693*
Harvey, W T (Labour) 519
Williams, H (Progressive) 496
Selwyn Yates, Rev E (Independent) 415
Hollywood, A J G (Labour) 406
Powell, O C (Labour) 354
Lister G H (Discharged Soldiers Federation) 332
Manning, J (Labour) 257

Church St ward
Perry, GW (Labour) 709 *
Evesden, G D (labour) 679*
Stephens, G J (Labour) 634*
Martin, W (Tradesmen & Ratepayers) 489
Russell, E D (Tradesmen & Ratepayers) 457
Hart, C (Tradesmen & Ratepayers) 386
Le Mare, H P (Independent) 352
Barry, A J (Discharged Soldiers Federation) 316

Fore St ward
Harington, T J (Labour) 801*
Crouch, W G (Labour)767*
Gave, G C (Labour) 750*
Sanders, J H (Tradesmen & Ratepayers) 491
Rhymer, E T (Discharged Soldiers Federation) 485
Cornish, W D (Tradesmen & Ratepayers) 479

The forward march of Labour started. "DSF" candidates were presumably from the DSSF (Discharged Sailors and Soldiers Federation) who had stood candidates in the 1918 general election. Our old friend H Barrass stood as an Independent candidate in the Edmonton constituency in 1918, with Broad as the Labour candidate and the former (and future) MP Henry Harvey Vivian for the Liberals. Vivian was a Trade unionist but anti suffrage Liberal.The Tory MP was Sir Alfred Warren who had been Mayor of Poplar 1910-18.  In the 1922 election Broad won the seat and the Liberal standard bearer was Fore St candidate E T Rhymer, who went on to become a longstanding magistrate and President of the North London branch of the Historical Association, but doesn't seem to have ever stood for the council again. Selwyn Yates was the vicar of St Peters, Edmonton and had made a claim against the RAF for occupying his church hall during the war and subsequent loss of revenue from church bazaars etc. He had founded Ellendeane House in Bexhill, first as a holiday home for London children and after the war as a home for "fatherless boys". 

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Jun 14, 2014 8:36:08 GMT finsobruce said:

Edmonton UDC 1915

Only one ward listed, when there must have been elections in all three (?). Records go on to say there were no local elections in 1917 and 1918. Doesn't mention 1916. First labour party candidates here are former ILP'ers.

Might well have been unopposed. Local elections during the Great War were not suspended until the Elections and Registration Act was passed at the end of July 1915, but there was a lot of pressure before then to avoid contests in a time of national crisis - especially when it became clear in spring 1915 that the war would not be a short one.

[ColinJ]

Jun 14, 2014 8:24:10 GMT finsobruce said:

Edmonton UDC 1914

As elections were in November IIRC, these would have been after the declaration of war, which is a sobering thought. Not sure if the Tradesmans and Ratepayers candidates were in a pact or standing against each other, or why there were so many Trades and Labour candidates in Fore St. It could be another transcription error or pro/anti war candidates or something else. 

I don't think your UDC elections took place in the November of each year. November was reserved, I seem to recall, for Metropolitan Boroughs, County Boroughs and so on.

Urban and Rural District elections in Middlesex, which Edmonton was a part of at this time, took place either in late March or early April each year. See, for example, the list of annual polling dates for Harrow-on-the-Hill UDC, which was another UDC in Middlesex:

www.harrow-elections.co.uk/resources/1894AppendE.pdf

Your only election in WW1 was therefore in 1915.

[finsobruce]

Colin,

thanks for clarifying. This has some bearing on the "Union Jack" controversy of 1921 which I'm about to get onto.

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1920

Bury St ward
Watts, W (Labour) 928*
Preye,W (Labour) 907*
Hawkins, A H (Labour) 858*
Williams, H (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers)
Byrne, A E (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers)
Worthington, WHS (n/d) 621
Oliver, J E (Independent) 304

Church St ward
Williams, P F (Labour) 1065*
Ithell, Mrs L R (Labour) 1051*
Tott, GTW (Labour) 1049*
Shortland, A E (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers) 1043
Russell, E D (Traders Assoc & ratepayers) 993
Lawrence, R S (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers) 931

Fore St ward
Arkle, F S (Labour) 1140*
Key, Mrs M L (Labour) 1128*
Hollywood, A J G (Labour) 1111*
Frost, W (Labour) 1094
Berriman, S N (n/d) 739
Fowler, (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers) 659
Herraud, E J (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers) 609
Ferris, G R (Traders Assoc & Ratepayers) 569

WHS Worthington was President of the local Rotary club. Frost is marked as elected in Fore St which may be a mistake? Suppose it could be a by election held at the same time??

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1921

Bury St ward
Williams, H (Public Welfare Association) 1995*
Byrne, E (Public Welfare Association) 1907*
Rowe, G (Public Welfare Association) 1894*
Parker, A J (Labour) 874
Hegley, J (Labour) 855
Hawkins, Mrs (Labour) 854

Church St ward
Middleton, W F (Public Welfare Association) 2559*
Shaw, J W (Public Welfare Association) 2532*
Lawrence, R S (Public Welfare Association) 2513*
Edwards, F W (Labour) 962
Porteous, Mrs (Labour) 925
Measure, G T (Labour) 882

Fore St ward
Kilbride, J A (Public Welfare Association) 1985*
Sanders, S J (Public Welfare Assocation) 1942*
Hatch, W H (Public Welfare Association) 1941*
Jones, W H (Labour) 1163
Reid, J (Labour) 1132
Talbot, P (Labour) 1115

Sometime in early 1921 the ruling Labour group on Edmonton UDC decided not to fly the Union Jack on Empire Day (May 24th) which had started in Candada in 1898,  and in the UK in 1902 (but not officially instituted until 1916). This caused a furore and a successful attempt to re-instate the flag lead to the ex-serviceman who made the attempt (a Mr Gill) falling off the town hall and breaking his leg. The Public Welfare Association was a combination of Liberal and Tory candidates and the hugely increased turnout and swing to the PWA tends to suggest that the controversy had a big effect on the election. Cllr Albert Deffee, elected as an Independent was described as the "leader of the (pro) Union Jack party" and at a council meeting which was besieged by demonstraters challenged the whole council to resign over the issue.  By the autumn of the same year a group of councillors described as Communists had been expelled from the Labour group, and a new flag had been bought.

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1922

Bury St ward
Deffee, A (Ind ex service) 1655*
Elms, W C (Welfare Association) 1429*
Anthony, J (Welfare Association) 1382*
Barrass, H (Labour) 1316
Shepard, T H (Labour)668
Peck, A (Labour) 646
Hawkins, Mrs (Communist) 207
Holt, J W (Communist) 207
Stokes, T R (Communist) 117

Church St ward
Cull, W A (Welfare Association) 1950*
Benjafield, Dr N (Welfare Association) 1931*
Thomas, F (Welfare Association) 1646*
Perry, G W (Labour) 759
McGuckin, W D (Labour) 633
Bowerman, T J (Labour) 604
Porteous, Mrs (Communist) 261
Barrett, R A (Communist) 226
Measure, G (Communist) 221
Stephens, G J (Independent Labour) 160

Fore St ward
Crouch, W G (Labour) 1118*
Sanders, J W (Welfare Association) 1098*
Harington, T J (Labour) 1042*
Fowler, G (Welfare Association) 1027
Burton, Dr (Welfare Association) 1016
Reid, J (Labour) 935
Miles, G (Communist) 142
Henson, H (Communist) 135
Garwood, G (Communist) 112

A spectre is haunting Edmonton  - the spectre of Communism. The Communist candidates include  three former Labour councillors: Porteous, Measure and  Hawkins. Stephens also a former Labour councillor but whether he defected to the left or the right isn't clear. With the exception of a single candidate in Bury St the following year, there are no more Communist candidates until 1933. Cllr Albert Defee's Independent description now includes an "ex service" reference possibly to try and emphasise his role in the flag controversy of the previous year - it's notable that Welfare only stood two candidates in this ward, presumably in a formal/informal pact. 

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1923

Bury St ward
Barrass, H (Labour) 2195*
Tughan, D (Independent) 1726*
Preye, W (Labour) 1631*
Young, mrs (Labour) 1528
Burton, Dr (Independent) 1424
Cornish, Alderman , W D (Welfare) 871
Pettipierre, L W C (Welfare) 732
Elms, Mrs (Welfare) 653
Holt, J W (Communist) 112
Boreham, A (Street traders) 93
Allen, B B (Street traders) 598 98 58
Mackmin, E W (Street traders) 29

Church St Ward
Barber, E (Welfare) 1414*
Bowen, A H ( Welfare) 1404*
Sanders, Mrs M (Welfare) 1374*
Tott, G T W (Labour) 1348
Williams, P F (Labour) 1343
Ithell, Mrs (Labour) 1314

Fore St ward
Perry, G (Labour) 1314*
Hollywood, A (Labour) 1304*
Key, Mrs (Labour) 1280*
Wade, Mr F (Welfare) 1073
Fowler, W (Welfare) 1038
Holland, J (Welfare) 987

Labour still a bit on the back foot, with Independents making inroads in Bury St ward. I haven't been able to find anything out about Tughan yet but he must have been well known locally to do so well from nowhere especially against Welfare and local traders candidates (I presume this should be Bury St traders but again, no precise info). Holt who stood in 1922 is the last, lonely Communist until 1933. 

[finsobruce]

Edmonton UDC 1924

Bury St ward
Young, Mrs (Labour) 1334*
Harvey, H P (Labour) 1331*
Keen, H J (Labour) 1282*
Williams, H (Welfare) 789
Grove, A H (Welfare) 753
Rowe, G (Welfare) 723


Church St ward
Ithel, Mrs (Labour) 1645*
Tott, G W (Labour) 1607*
Baker, F J (labour) 1593*
Smith, W G (Labour) 1545
Middleton, W (Welfare) 1434
Cornish, W D (Welfare) 1424
Pettipiere, L W C (Welfare) 1360
Lawrence, R S (Welfare) 1339

Fore St ward
Tabraham, Mrs (Labour) 1341*
Reid, J (Labour) 1331*
Venables, W W (Labour) 1311*
Jenner, S (Labour) 1298*
Sanders, S J (Welfare) 918
Kilbride, J A (Welfare) 906
Hatch, W (Welfare) 878
Gill, J W (Welfare) 817

Labour win all seats up for election in all three wards for the first time since 1920. Not sure why there appear to be four Labour candidates in Church St or four elected in Fore st. This is the first appearance of the redoutable Mrs Catharine Tabraham, charwoman and councillor. More of her later....