Clarko
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Post by Clarko on Apr 7, 2014 8:21:17 GMT
Hi Guys
Has anyone else noticed that Boundary Assistant isn't working at the moment?
It'll bring up a region map, but then none of the ward boundaries come up... Has anyone else experienced this. I've tried accessing it from a couple of computers and had no joy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 9:12:48 GMT
The performance has seemed like its struggling somewhat recently.
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Post by kevinlarkin on Apr 7, 2014 10:23:48 GMT
Try it again now. You may need to hit refresh a couple of times to force a download of the fixed version.
Appears to be a bug in the Google Maps API - they do have a habit of introducing changes that break existing functionality.
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Clarko
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Post by Clarko on Apr 7, 2014 12:11:29 GMT
Cheers Kevin! I was getting withdrawal!  |
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Post by manchesterman on May 19, 2014 23:01:10 GMT
Errggh! I remember I first found out abo this wonderfu tool on this site. I remember I asked a the time how/where any saved maps wer retained. I wa told that they just stay on the site and will be accessible unde thename you saved it under. This did work and I happily created fun boundaries for a few months.however I hadnt used the tool for about the last 3 months for various reasons. I revisited it last night and was horrified to find tat there were no "saved files"?!?! Can anyone offer any advice or are they lost forever?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 7:12:24 GMT
I think the saved maps are on your computer?
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Post by kevinlarkin on May 20, 2014 7:51:52 GMT
Errggh! I remember I first found out abo this wonderfu tool on this site. I remember I asked a the time how/where any saved maps wer retained. I wa told that they just stay on the site and will be accessible unde thename you saved it under. This did work and I happily created fun boundaries for a few months.however I hadnt used the tool for about the last 3 months for various reasons. I revisited it last night and was horrified to find tat there were no "saved files"?!?! Can anyone offer any advice or are they lost forever? The plans are saved to the browser's 'local storage' on your computer. Each browser has a different way of implementing local storage, so if you have switched to a different browser you won't see the plans unless your new browser has a facility to import settings from the old one. Also, the browser will probably store the plans in different locations depending on whether you access the website as boundaryassistant.org or www.boundaryassistant.org. There will be a new version of the Plan Builder app that will make it much easier to manage, save and share your plans, but unfortunately I can't give a likely date for this at the moment. |
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Post by manchesterman on May 20, 2014 23:06:52 GMT
Thanks for the replies chaps.
Alas my knowledge of computer/IT issues is very basic. However I can confirm the following facts:
1- I have not changed browser since I last successfully accessed it
2- Im not sure how to find "local storage" on my pc ... If it helps I can confirm that I usually log on and open up "firefox" browser and "restore previous session" as I mostly only access about 8-10 websites on any sort of regular basis and I have these websites open in separate "tabs". One of those tabs was the boundary asst site (i.e. I dont manually type in the url address if thats what you mean, Kevin?). Like I said , its just that playing about with boundary asst usually requires quite a long "session" and I havent had the time to spare for the past several weeks.
Can anyone help based on the above info? Also if there is any more info I may be able to provide to help solve the riddle plse let me know.
Thanks for any assitance offered.
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Post by kevinlarkin on May 21, 2014 19:30:50 GMT
There was a new version of Firefox released earlier this month, and there have been some reports of users losing locally stored information such as bookmarks and in one case local storage, although it appears only an unlucky few have been affected.
You can tell if you have the new version as the familiar orange Firefox menu button has gone from the top right of the browser window, replaced by a Settings button to the left of the address bar.
I have a couple of laptops that aren't on the latest version yet, so I shall continue to look into this.
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Post by manchesterman on May 22, 2014 0:28:14 GMT
Thanks mate. FYI I do currently have the newer version as described by you
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Post by manchesterman on Jul 20, 2014 18:24:04 GMT
Update? Kevin (or anyone else) - just wondering if anyone can help viz a viz locating the original maps I "saved" on Boundary Asst a few months ago {my earlier post refers - I was halfway through a bit of a project I had going on and I ould hate to have to start from scratch) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 18:37:18 GMT
There was a new version of Firefox released earlier this month, and there have been some reports of users losing locally stored information such as bookmarks and in one case local storage, although it appears only an unlucky few have been affected. You can tell if you have the new version as the familiar orange Firefox menu button has gone from the top right of the browser window, replaced by a Settings button to the left of the address bar. I have a couple of laptops that aren't on the latest version yet, so I shall continue to look into this. Is it just me who has a problem with the 2013 local elections. As soon as I drag the slider more recently than 2002 everything seems to go crazy. |
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Post by Penddu on Aug 2, 2014 17:22:07 GMT
The problem I have with Boundary Assistant is that it uses incorrect street names in Wales. Where the official street name is in Welsh but there is an English alternative, then Boundary Assistant uses the English only name which is incorrect. Try this example - go to the post office post code checker and look up the address for CF35 5ES. You should get the street name of Cae Llwydcoed. this is the official address as used by Post Office and recorded in the street name Gazetteer. The locals call the street by its Welsh name as do the police, fire service, ambulances, taxi drivers etc. But try and find this address in Boundary Assistant and any program based on Google Maps (including Satnav program's) and it says the street is called Greywood Field, which is simply wrong. This is one example among many, and you have to ask why?
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 2, 2014 18:39:21 GMT
The problem I have with Boundary Assistant is that it uses incorrect street names in Wales. Where the official street name is in Welsh but there is an English alternative, then Boundary Assistant uses the English only name which is incorrect. Try this example - go to the post office post code checker and look up the address for CF35 5ES. You should get the street name of Cae Llwydcoed. this is the official address as used by Post Office and recorded in the street name Gazetteer. The locals call the street by its Welsh name as do the police, fire service, ambulances, taxi drivers etc. But try and find this address in Boundary Assistant and any program based on Google Maps (including Satnav program's) and it says the street is called Greywood Field, which is simply wrong. This is one example among many, and you have to ask why? An answer could be that non-Welsh and international organizations predicated to a universal anglophone system cannot (or don't want to) deal in a duality of languages for certain minority areas, and are geared to use English or the majoritarian language of the region. What tends to piss me off a bit about the Celtic fringe is this insistence on use of a language they know damn well confuses the vast majority of all other British nationals, who can neither pronounce it nor spell it correctly, despite being bi-lingual and not needing it in another language at all themselves. And then saying 'You are wrong' in an assertive manner if anyone uses the former wholly intelligible name that had been validly used for generations before. Road signs are now a real menace as they contain less information on a much larger board with confusion reigning and time taken for extra looking when eyes should be on the road. This is gormless vanity bollocks and serves absolutely no useful purpose at all. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 2, 2014 19:16:37 GMT
The problem I have with Boundary Assistant is that it uses incorrect street names in Wales. Where the official street name is in Welsh but there is an English alternative, then Boundary Assistant uses the English only name which is incorrect. Try this example - go to the post office post code checker and look up the address for CF35 5ES. You should get the street name of Cae Llwydcoed. this is the official address as used by Post Office and recorded in the street name Gazetteer. The locals call the street by its Welsh name as do the police, fire service, ambulances, taxi drivers etc. But try and find this address in Boundary Assistant and any program based on Google Maps (including Satnav program's) and it says the street is called Greywood Field, which is simply wrong. This is one example among many, and you have to ask why? Firstly, the map data comes from Google, so is nothing to do with Boundary Assistant. Secondly, if a street has two official names then neither is "wrong". If you are producing maps for an English language website, it is logical to use the English name where it exists. Should I complain about a Welsh website using the name "Caerdydd", despite the fact that the vast majority of locals, police, taxi drivers etc refer to it as "Cardiff"? |
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Post by kevinlarkin on Aug 2, 2014 19:48:46 GMT
manchesterman Sorry, only just seen this. I haven't been able to replicate this issue, and unfortunately Firefox (and Chrome) have changed the way this information is stored, so it is no longer possible to identify the location and browse the data. AFAICT any stored data lost by the May 2014 Firefox update is probably gone for good. joe You may be using an incorrect or outdated link. The 2013 map only goes back to 2005. Use this link or the ones on the Boundary Assistant home page. Penddu The example post code should be CF31 not CF35? This is not just a Google Maps issue, Open Streetmap, Bing Maps and Apple Maps all display Greywood Field by default, at least on my English language devices. Only Ordnance Survey display the Welsh name. Google and Open Streetmap at least seem to know of Cae Llwydcoed, as a search will take you there, but I don't see a way of making this the default through their programming interfaces (and even if you could it would probably also change e.g. Mold to Yr Wyddgrug). You could ask Google to fix the street names using the 'Report Problem' link. For a long time it annoyed me that White City in West London was displayed as White Stadt(!) at certain zoom levels. When I reported this it was fixed within a few days.
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Post by Penddu on Aug 3, 2014 13:27:46 GMT
Cf35 not 31 sorry. My complaint is that the boundary Asst / google maps is not using the 'official' name. I do not complain that they use Bridgend in place of Penybont as Bridgend is the official name. I would complain if they changed Aberystwyth to Stwiftmouth but they do not do this, My complaint is that they have arbitrarily changed an official street name in Welsh to a literal English translation but which is never used except by lazy programmers!
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Post by Penddu on Aug 3, 2014 13:33:50 GMT
The problem I have with Boundary Assistant is that it uses incorrect street names in Wales. Where the official street name is in Welsh but there is an English alternative, then Boundary Assistant uses the English only name which is incorrect. Try this example - go to the post office post code checker and look up the address for CF35 5ES. You should get the street name of Cae Llwydcoed. this is the official address as used by Post Office and recorded in the street name Gazetteer. The locals call the street by its Welsh name as do the police, fire service, ambulances, taxi drivers etc. But try and find this address in Boundary Assistant and any program based on Google Maps (including Satnav program's) and it says the street is called Greywood Field, which is simply wrong. This is one example among many, and you have to ask why? . And then saying 'You are wrong' in an assertive manner if anyone uses the former wholly intelligible name that had been validly used for generations before. You are mistaken - I am talking about a street name that has only ever been in Welsh - the official name used by government and the defacto name used by the local population - |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 3, 2014 13:46:42 GMT
. And then saying 'You are wrong' in an assertive manner if anyone uses the former wholly intelligible name that had been validly used for generations before. You are mistaken - I am talking about a street name that has only ever been in Welsh - the official name used by government and the defacto name used by the local population - If you look at Streetview you will see both the English and Welsh names are shown on the road sign, so both names are official, Google haven't just made up a translation. |
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Post by Penddu on Aug 4, 2014 3:01:50 GMT
I never said it was made up - the official street name is Welsh and the local policy for a while (I think between 2001 and 2008) was to put Welsh translations on English signposts and vice versa, with the official name first and alternative second (irrespective of language). This policy was changed in 2008 because people were getting confused, and policy is now simply to put the official name only (we are talking street names only). The official name is the one used in the Gazetteer and used by Post Office, and in this case it is in Welsh not English. Google etc should use the official name.
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