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Post by redfellow on Mar 21, 2014 15:00:01 GMT
There's something utterly "little Englander" in facile comparisons between the City of London and New York (which should be, more specifically, the First City Council polling district — i.e. approximately the old Ward One).
As I recall, there is a polling place at 45 Wall Street, and it is well patronised by local residents. Yes, folks: there are real folk living on Wall Street.
By comparison, the City of London has just 9,000 residents. Business has 32,000 votes — and three quarters of them have XY chromosomes. As a consequence business has a disproportionate input into more than just local government. The City has a brooding presence even in the Chamber of the House of Commons. He is Paul Double, the City remembrancer, with a reserved seat behind the Speaker's chair, and direct off-stage access to all members.
Various mouths are supposed to have first uttered "no taxation without representation", and commonly James Otis, Jnr, gets the credit, arguing against writs of assistance before the Massachusetts high court in 1761. He may have been beaten to it by James Burgh, the Whig schoolmaster of Stoke Newington.
If East Anglian Lefty, or anyone else, believes the residents of the City should be defenestrated because they are increasingly demanding proper democratic representation (rather than Savile Row suits masquerading as "independents" and contributing half the Tory Party's income) they must be nuts. And William Goodacre Campbell-Taylor's campaign (and success) in Portsoken was about proper representation.
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Post by middleenglander on Mar 21, 2014 15:33:24 GMT
Amended as Conservative vote in Staffordshire Moorlands, Cellarhead was 178 not the 175 reported last night
Broadland, Wroxham - Lib Dem hold | Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | since 2009 B | since 2007 "top" | since 2007 "average" | | Lib Dem | 482 | 48.3% | +2.5% | +2.3% | -14.2% | +40.2% | +40.9% | | Conservative | 341 | 34.2% | -0.3% | +1.7% | +11.7% | -7.2% | -9.4% | | UKIP | 112 | 11.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | +2.5% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour | 63 | 6.3% | -4.3% | -5.2% | +3.3% | +2.5% | +2.5% | | Green |
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| -38.8% | -37.0% | | Total votes | 998 |
| -1,152 | -972 | -538 | -1,405 | -1,286 |
Swing Conservative to Lib Dem 1.4% / 0.3% since 2011, Lib Dem to Conservative 13% since 2009 by-election but Conservative to Lib Dem ~25% since 2007 Rushcliffe, Gamston - Conservative hold | Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | since 2007 "top" | since 2007 "average" | | Conservative | 444 | 44.2% | -10.0% | -7.8% | -15.3% | -12.9% | | Labour | 218 | 21.7%
| -3.2% | -4.3% | -0.1% | -1.4% | | UKIP | 173 | 17.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Lib Dem | 170 | 16.9% | +6.9% | +6.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green |
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| -10.9% | -11.5% | -18.7% | -19.8% | | Total votes | 1,005 |
| -867 | -775 | -789 | -687 |
Swing Conservative to Labour ~2% / 3% since 2011 and ~6% / 7% since 2007 Staffordshire Moorland, Cellarhead - Conservative gain from Staffordshire Independent Group | Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | since 2007 "top" | since 2007 "average" | | Conservative | 178 | 32.5% | -12.3% | -13.5% | -6.6% | -7.3% | | Labour | 132 | 24.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | -3.4% | -5.2% | | Staffs Ind Group | 119 | 21.8% | -33.4% | -32.2% | -11.5% | -9.0% | | UKIP | 105 | 19.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Lib Dem | 13 | 2.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Total votes | 547 |
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Swing since 2011 not meaningful but ~ 1% Conservative to Labour since 2007 Torridge, Bideford East - Independent hold | Party | 2014 votes | 2014 share | since 2011 "top" | since 2011 "average" | since 2007 "top" | since 2007 "average" | | Ind Robinson | 295 | 39.5% |
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| | Conservative | 150 | 20.1% | -9.1% | -10.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour | 140 | 18.7% | +4.9% | +3.7% | +9.3% | +8.0% | | Ind Ratcliff | 106 | 14.2% |
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| | Lib Dem | 39 | 5.2% | -13.0% | -14.5% | -32.7% | -27.9% | | Ind Smith | 17 | 2.3% |
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| -17.5% | -19.0% | -10.7% | -13.8% | | Total votes | 747 |
| -1,340 | -1,173 | -869 | -364 |
Swing not particularly meaningful - number of ballot papers issued in 2011 was 1,559 and in 2007 1,359; by-election relative turnout was 48% compared to 2011 and 55% to 2007
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 21, 2014 19:03:54 GMT
I would suggest the Bideford result is much worse than the Cellarhead result from a Lib Dem perspective.
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Post by barrybrb on Mar 21, 2014 19:31:56 GMT
According to Andrew Teale's report that area was moved from Tower Hamlets in the 90s so isn't part of the historic city. I didn't know there had been such a boundary change there. Does anyone know why that occurred? |
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Post by barrybrb on Mar 21, 2014 19:36:50 GMT
Hackney also lost land to the City of London in the 90s. Parts of Primrose Street,Appolo Street and Sun Street EC2 spring to mind.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 21, 2014 19:40:17 GMT
It was a comprehensive tidying-up of the City boundaries (which had been untouched since the 14th century or so and in some cases ran through the middle of buildings).
The LGBCE report is here. It doesn't convert into a link because of the punctuation in the URL, so you'll have to copy and paste it.
http://www.lgbce.org.uk/__documents/lgbce/research/lgbce-reports-1973---1992/mandatory-reviews/636.-city-of-london-and-its-boundaries-with-city-of-westminster,-camden-lb,-hackney-lb,-islington-lb,-lambeth-lb,-southwark-lb-and-tower-hamlets-lb.pdf
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Mar 21, 2014 22:35:47 GMT
Does anyone know the exact ratio of residential votes:business votes in each city ward? Or are all the residents of the city confined into the four 'residential wards'?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 21, 2014 22:39:33 GMT
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Mar 21, 2014 22:49:43 GMT
Thanks. So the division between residential and business wards is purely geographical then. I wonder who the four voters in the Lime Street ward are... and whether they bother to vote or not? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 22, 2014 0:09:53 GMT
Thanks. So the division between residential and business wards is purely geographical then. I'm not sure what you mean. There's no difference in the way the electoral system operates. The City thinks it has to balance the interests of its residents and the businesses, and that the residents mostly live in specific areas of the city. So they have chosen to designate four wards as 'residential' and stipulate that they get 20 seats out of 100. It's a very rough and ready way of doing things, to my mind. Some years ago, when the City used the old system of the business vote, I remember looking over the City's two electoral registers (the Parliamentary and municipal) and comparing them. The residents in the very central wards tended to be landlords of pubs, or the Vicars of city churches who happened to have a vicarage on site. |
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Post by Ghyl Tarvoke on Mar 22, 2014 0:57:19 GMT
Thanks. So the division between residential and business wards is purely geographical then. I'm not sure what you mean. There's no difference in the way the electoral system operates. The City thinks it has to balance the interests of its residents and the businesses, and that the residents mostly live in specific areas of the city. So they have chosen to designate four wards as 'residential' and stipulate that they get 20 seats out of 100. It's a very rough and ready way of doing things, to my mind. Some years ago, when the City used the old system of the business vote, I remember looking over the City's two electoral registers (the Parliamentary and municipal) and comparing them. The residents in the very central wards tended to be landlords of pubs, or the Vicars of city churches who happened to have a vicarage on site. Yes, that's what I meant. I was wondering to what extent all the residents of the city lived in those four wards and to what extent the distinction between 'residential' and 'business' wards was just an arbitrary labeling category for city convenience. And yes, that's what I would have suspected for the central wards. Thanks. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Mar 22, 2014 13:13:52 GMT
If East Anglian Lefty, or anyone else, believes the residents of the City should be defenestrated because they are increasingly demanding proper democratic representation (rather than Savile Row suits masquerading as "independents" and contributing half the Tory Party's income) they must be nuts. And William Goodacre Campbell-Taylor's campaign (and success) in Portsoken was about proper representation. God no, I believe the City of London in its present form should be abolished and replaced with a proper system of local government, without anachronisms like the business vote. But in the absence of anybody having the courage to do that, I don't trust the common councilmen as a group to represent the residents properly, so I'd rather see them transferred to an authority where the councillors actually need their votes. |
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Post by cibwr on Mar 22, 2014 21:37:58 GMT
As I have said reduce the City of London to the status of Parish Council and if you must retain all the flummery and make it part of one of the neighbouring boroughs, my preference is Tower Hamlets.
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 23, 2014 1:01:41 GMT
As I have said reduce the City of London to the status of Parish Council and if you must retain all the flummery and make it part of one of the neighbouring boroughs, my preference is Tower Hamlets. As long as Tower Hamlets scrapped its elected mayor system in the process... |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 23, 2014 1:30:42 GMT
As I have said reduce the City of London to the status of Parish Council and if you must retain all the flummery and make it part of one of the neighbouring boroughs, my preference is Tower Hamlets. As long as Tower Hamlets scrapped its elected mayor system in the process... That might not be enough.. A bit to Westminster (David to decide how much) a bit to Camden, a bit to Islington, a bit to hackney.. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 23, 2014 10:40:26 GMT
As long as Tower Hamlets scrapped its elected mayor system in the process... That might not be enough.. A bit to Westminster (David to decide how much) a bit to Camden, a bit to Islington, a bit to hackney.. Be really edgy and give a bit to Southwark. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 10:47:41 GMT
I would divide Holborn between the City and Westminster. It feels really out of place in Camden to me. (This might partly be because I would get a vote!)
Another change would surely be to put The Tower of London out of Tower Hamlets (despite the name!) and into the City.
Move the residental wards in the East into Tower Hamlets
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 23, 2014 11:13:04 GMT
That might not be enough.. A bit to Westminster (David to decide how much) a bit to Camden, a bit to Islington, a bit to hackney.. Be really edgy and give a bit to Southwark. Well, if we're going to have exclaves let's make them proper ones and shift bits to K&C and Croydon. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 23, 2014 11:19:11 GMT
I would divide Holborn between the City and Westminster. It feels really out of place in Camden to me. (This might partly be because I would get a vote!) Another change would surely be to put The Tower of London out of Tower Hamlets (despite the name!) and into the City. Move the residental wards in the East into Tower Hamlets A ha! a reverse land grab by the commander of the City Forces. Didn't see that one coming. Will have to re-group.  |
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Post by AdminSTB on Mar 23, 2014 11:59:21 GMT
Be really edgy and give a bit to Southwark. Well, if we're going to have exclaves let's make them proper ones and shift bits to K&C and Croydon. Maybe the RBS building on Bishopsgate could be added to Edinburgh City Council?  |
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