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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 9, 2014 18:32:10 GMT
Definitely time for the NDP to start organising to contest local elections. Figures such as that aren't good for democracy and as Quebec is traditionally a left-liberal state, it makes sense for the NDP to contest the elections seriously. Quebec has had a tendancy to be traditionally something for a long time. There would of course not have been a Quiet Revolution if Quebec had not been traditionally a paranoid, Catholic conservative semi-dictatorship. It's certainly left-liberal for now, but who knows what's going to happen next. But you're right, it does make sense for the NDP to start organising in Quebec, although they'd be better off affiliating the UCQ. Their problem is- what will happen with some of the more separatist elements in the unions? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 9, 2014 18:42:52 GMT
Heavily Jewish, massively anglophone riding, yes, it's always been a very safe riding for the Libs unless there has been another anglophone intervention. Yeah, it was one of several West Island seats to be lost to the Equality Party in 1989 (the others were Westmount, NDG and Jacques-Cartier). 92% is actually (just) the best Liberal result there for ages (having polled an embarrassingly low 84% in 2012). |
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Post by maxque on Apr 10, 2014 5:59:15 GMT
D'Arcy McGee is surely a pornstar name. No, a politician killed by Fenians. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 10, 2014 16:47:33 GMT
Which was kind of the point surely?
There was one poll which delved into the crossover betwee Quebec and federal voting patterns and found 42% of CAQ supporters vote NDP federally - perhaps a search for anything that isn't pro- and anti-separatist parties.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 10, 2014 17:36:06 GMT
Note the North Shore strength of both parties. But there's a more conservative element to CAQ's vote that the NDP haven't tapped into, while the NDP have done well in some seriously working class areas that CAQ hasn't, and is also much stronger in Montreal in general.
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 11, 2014 17:44:33 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 11, 2014 20:22:39 GMT
I see the PQ has wandered into Labrador...
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 11, 2014 23:06:27 GMT
Quebec still officially claims that part of Labrador!
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Post by maxque on Apr 12, 2014 3:51:10 GMT
I see the PQ has wandered into Labrador... Quebec doesn't recognize the border drew by the "illegitimate" London Private Council. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 12, 2014 9:55:01 GMT
I see the PQ has wandered into Labrador... Quebec doesn't recognize the border drew by the "illegitimate" London Private Council. I wonder if that's because they want more First Nations areas to dominate. Although Parizeau did once say he'd recognise the border if Quebec went independent. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 12, 2014 9:58:23 GMT
Purely anecdotal, but I was once told by a Canadian that in the days of the Quebec Nordiques, choosing your ice hockey team could sometimes be a political statement, i.e if you were a federalist you picked the Canadiens de Montreal, and if you were a separatist you picked the Nordiques (obviously except for those people who lived near those cities). I wonder how true that may have been- especially as Peladeau is involved in a consortium to bring the Nordiques back.
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Post by maxque on Apr 12, 2014 11:30:57 GMT
Quebec doesn't recognize the border drew by the "illegitimate" London Private Council. I wonder if that's because they want more First Nations areas to dominate. Although Parizeau did once say he'd recognise the border if Quebec went independent. The area is uninhabited. There is natural ressources, through (and potential hydroelectricity). Quebec government refuses to accept the Private Council decision, as it considers than Uniked Kindgom was a judge in its own case (Labrador was a UK colony then), and than the Private Council was in conflict of interest. I can see their point, if today, a national court took the final decision about a international border,it would quite contested (example: a French court ruling on a France-Belgium border dispute. Belgium would never recognize that court ruling). |
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Post by neilm on Apr 12, 2014 15:54:42 GMT
Presumably the border was agreed when Newfoundland joined up with Canada in 1949? Perhaps they can send some settlers and grab it, Crimea style.
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 12, 2014 17:12:00 GMT
IIRC Labrador was at the time part of the Dominion of Newfoundland. Both Newfoundland and Canada accepted the border but Quebec had to be Quebec.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Apr 13, 2014 12:51:47 GMT
Definitely time for the NDP to start organising to contest local elections. Figures such as that aren't good for democracy and as Quebec is traditionally a left-liberal state, it makes sense for the NDP to contest the elections seriously. Quebec has had a tendancy to be traditionally something for a long time. There would of course not have been a Quiet Revolution if Quebec had not been traditionally a paranoid, Catholic conservative semi-dictatorship. It's certainly left-liberal for now, but who knows what's going to happen next. But you're right, it does make sense for the NDP to start organising in Quebec, although they'd be better off affiliating the UCQ. Their problem is- what will happen with some of the more separatist elements in the unions? They're presumably already backing either PQ or QS (which stems partly from a previous attempt to set up a provincial NDP in Quebec.) |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 13, 2014 15:23:31 GMT
Quite so. Potential support for an NPDQ lies elsewhere...
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 16, 2014 19:05:07 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 16, 2014 19:45:48 GMT
Wow. Imagine if that had appeared a fortnight ago! |
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 17, 2014 20:11:49 GMT
The area is uninhabited. There is natural ressources, through (and potential hydroelectricity). Quebec government refuses to accept the Private Council decision, as it considers than Uniked Kindgom was a judge in its own case (Labrador was a UK colony then), and than the Private Council was in conflict of interest. I can see their point, if today, a national court took the final decision about a international border,it would quite contested (example: a French court ruling on a France-Belgium border dispute. Belgium would never recognize that court ruling). But it wasn't an international case, just the PQ wish it was we have Wolfe to thank for that. Wolfe, as it happens, is my next Mastermind subject. |
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