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Post by Devonian on Feb 15, 2014 23:33:17 GMT
Opinion poll from TNS 13th January for the European elections PVV 17.2%, VVD 16.4%, SP 13.2%, D66 12.3%, PvdA 12.2%, CDA 10.6%, CU/SGP 6.2%, 50PLUS 3.8%, GL 3.7%, PvdD 2.2% |
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 16, 2014 17:52:47 GMT
Opinion poll from TNS 13th January for the European elections PVV 17.2%, VVD 16.4%, SP 13.2%, D66 12.3%, PvdA 12.2%, CDA 10.6%, CU/SGP 6.2%, 50PLUS 3.8%, GL 3.7%, PvdD 2.2% PVV 5 (+1); VVD 4 (+1); SP 4 (+2); D66 3 (-); PvdA 3(-); CDA 3 (-2); CU/SGP 1 (-1); 50+ 1 (+1); GL 1 (-1) ALDE 7; NI 5; EUL/NLG 4; PES 3; EPP 3; ECR/EFD 1; Greens-EFA 1 and who knows where 50+ would end up The CU/SGP decline in voteshare brings them a small problem. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Feb 21, 2014 14:23:50 GMT
2009 Results: (Netherlands reduced from 27 to 25 seats) | CDA | 20.1% | -4.3% | 5 seats | -2 | EPP | | PVV | 17.0% | +17.0% | 4 Seats | +4 | NA | | PvdA | 12.1% | -11.6% | 3 seats | -4 | PES | | VVD | 11.4% | -1.8% | 3 seats | -1 | ALDE | | D66 | 11.3% | +7.1% | 3 seats | +2 | ALDE | | GL | 8.9% | +1.5% | 3 seats | +1 | EGP | | SP | 7.1% | +0.1% | 2 seats | nc | EUL - NGL | | CU/SGP | 6.8% | +0.9% | 2 seats | nc | ECR/EFD (1 each) | | PvdD | 3.5% | +0.3% | 0 | nc | |
The other two seats were held by Europa Transparent (an anti-corruption group which disbanded in 2008). The Netherlands was awarded an extra seat in 2011 which they keep this year. The seat should have gone to PVV but ended up going independant. The highest placed name on the PVV list not in the parliament had been an MEP, but had had to resign earlier in 2011 due to causing a car crash whilst drunk driving. He was awarded the seat anyway, but PVV refused to let him re-join them and he now sits as an independant. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 14, 2014 19:32:18 GMT
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 14, 2014 20:25:29 GMT
Ah, the VVD, moving to the right all the time. Well, I suppose someone has to replace the CDA. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 14, 2014 21:17:32 GMT
Ah, the VVD, moving to the right all the time. Well, I suppose someone has to replace the CDA. Makes sense I suppose. If you want wet liberalism, you go to D66. If you want Christian-inspired politics, head for the CU or SGP (or even GroenLinks). If you are broadly on the right, CDA- but it's lost its way hugely. I am always surprised by the Dutch capacity for voting for parties that are genuinely religious in nature, rather than doing the usual lip service (CDU etc.) |
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Post by neilm on Mar 20, 2014 8:31:24 GMT
Historical allegiance (that's not the right word but I can't think of another) to the pillars stuff perhaps.
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 20, 2014 9:05:30 GMT
And yet the CDA didn't do too badly last night, their vote was down less than 1%, unlike GL and PvdA who took a bit of a shafting. Local parties did best, especially in smaller municipalities (and Rotterdam), but otherwise it was a night for D66 and to a lesser extent the SP. However, the elephant in the room of the PVV doesn't stand in most local elections in the Netherlands.
Whisper it not, but the SGP elected a woman last night. Shocking, the 20th century beckons for them.
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Post by neilm on Mar 20, 2014 9:11:18 GMT
How close are the local parties to PVV? I mean how many are aligned, for want of a better word, with Wilders.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 20, 2014 9:32:56 GMT
But then the CDA are in opposition aren't they? (I think?)
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Post by neilm on Mar 21, 2014 11:57:22 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 21, 2014 15:11:33 GMT
And yet the CDA didn't do too badly last night, their vote was down less than 1%, unlike GL and PvdA who took a bit of a shafting. Local parties did best, especially in smaller municipalities (and Rotterdam), but otherwise it was a night for D66 and to a lesser extent the SP. However, the elephant in the room of the PVV doesn't stand in most local elections in the Netherlands. Whisper it not, but the SGP elected a woman last night. Shocking, the 20th century beckons for them. The continuing demise of GL surprises me- I'm not close enough to it all to have a deep view, but it seems that Femke Halsema managed to hold off the rot, and now it's devolved into factionalism since she quit. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 21, 2014 15:17:19 GMT
That Moroccans and Turks have been voting for LR surprises me. That an Islamic party has appeared on the council frankly disturbs me, even in a country that has never quite got over religious-based politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2014 16:38:48 GMT
And yet the CDA didn't do too badly last night, their vote was down less than 1%, unlike GL and PvdA who took a bit of a shafting. Local parties did best, especially in smaller municipalities (and Rotterdam), but otherwise it was a night for D66 and to a lesser extent the SP. However, the elephant in the room of the PVV doesn't stand in most local elections in the Netherlands. Whisper it not, but the SGP elected a woman last night. Shocking, the 20th century beckons for them. The continuing demise of GL surprises me- I'm not close enough to it all to have a deep view, but it seems that Femke Halsema managed to hold off the rot, and now it's devolved into factionalism since she quit. I've never quite been able to work out whether I'd vote GreenLeft or Socialist in the Netherlands. The two parties have different histories, but I wonder whether GreenLeft's niche has been squeezed out by them and perhaps D66 in what is a very crowded political landscape. |
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Post by Devonian on Mar 21, 2014 17:04:50 GMT
That Moroccans and Turks have been voting for LR surprises me. Why shouldn't they vote for LR? I remember there was recently a poll of Polish citizens in the UK showing UKIP on 10% of the UK Polish vote the European elections and some people expressed surprise at this but why should it be surprising? What do you expect. Islamist views are widespread in the middle east and North Africa and Islamist parties rule in both Morocco and Turkey. It would be extraordinary if no Moroccans or Turks in the Netherlands shared these views. Of course anti-Islamist views are also widespread in the middle east and I wonder if this accounts for part of LR's support amongst Moroccans and Turks? |
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 21, 2014 17:18:28 GMT
I've never quite been able to work out whether I'd vote GreenLeft or Socialist in the Netherlands. The two parties have different histories, but I wonder whether GreenLeft's niche has been squeezed out by them and perhaps D66 in what is a very crowded political landscape. I wouldn't worry greatly about that. It isn't as though many people in the post-pillarised Netherlands are much into party loyalty. |
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Post by Devonian on Mar 30, 2014 0:15:54 GMT
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Post by Devonian on Apr 17, 2014 23:23:05 GMT
Euro poll from Peil.nl 13/04/14 VVD 15% PVV 15% CDA 15% D66 15% SP 11% PvdA 8% CU-SGP 7% GL 4% PvdD 4% 50PLUS 4% Pirate 1% Other 1% www.noties.nl/peil.nl/ |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Apr 17, 2014 23:42:43 GMT
Euro poll from Peil.nl 13/04/14 VVD 15% PVV 15% CDA 15% D66 15% SP 11% PvdA 8%CU-SGP 7% GL 4% PvdD 4% 50PLUS 4% Pirate 1% Other 1% www.noties.nl/peil.nl/! |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 18, 2014 0:13:04 GMT
Government is less popular than leprosy
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