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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 24, 2014 18:10:08 GMT
Anglican and Roman Catholic clergy were ineligible to sit in the House of Commons until the passing of the House of Commons (Removal of Clergy Disqualification) Act 2001. As the disqualifications also applied to ex-clergy, Chris Bryant would otherwise have been unable to take his seat after being elected for Rhondda later that year. No, not so. The disqualification never applied to clergy who had resigned their living and left holy orders. Bryant was Labour candidate for Wycombe in 1997 before the change in the law. The problem which prompted the Act was that only protestantism allowed clergy to leave holy orders; someone who had been ordained according to the rites of the Roman Catholic Church, and remained in communion with it, could stop working as priests but could not remove their disqualification unless they left the Church. And in 2000, David Cairns was selected for Labour in the Labour-held seat of Inverclyde. That was what forced the change in the law. Very obliging, to change the law for the circumstances of an individual! (Not that I disagree with the move.)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 18:21:46 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 24, 2014 18:30:08 GMT
No, not so. The disqualification never applied to clergy who had resigned their living and left holy orders. Bryant was Labour candidate for Wycombe in 1997 before the change in the law. The problem which prompted the Act was that only protestantism allowed clergy to leave holy orders; someone who had been ordained according to the rites of the Roman Catholic Church, and remained in communion with it, could stop working as priests but could not remove their disqualification unless they left the Church. And in 2000, David Cairns was selected for Labour in the Labour-held seat of Inverclyde. That was what forced the change in the law. Very obliging, to change the law for the circumstances of an individual! (Not that I disagree with the move.) Of course, it is fallacious to suggest the change only *applied to* one person. Nothing to stop others following Cairns (have they?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:12:53 GMT
Mike Kane has won
Lucy Powell @lucympowell Congratulations to Mike Kane, Labour's candidate in Wythenshawe & Sale East by-election. A local man who will put the area first.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:23:09 GMT
He won on the first ballot
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Post by Chris Cassidy on Jan 24, 2014 22:28:53 GMT
Mike Kane has won Lucy Powell @lucympowell Congratulations to Mike Kane, Labour's candidate in Wythenshawe & Sale East by-election. A local man who will put the area first. It does worry me when Labour 'Put areas first'. They have been putting Manchester first for over 60 years and it's still a poverty filled city!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:41:13 GMT
Mike Kane has won Lucy Powell @lucympowell Congratulations to Mike Kane, Labour's candidate in Wythenshawe & Sale East by-election. A local man who will put the area first. It does worry me when Labour 'Put areas first'. They have been putting Manchester first for over 60 years and it's still a poverty filled city! You could say the same for many Labour 'heartlands'. Nobody puts working class people down as much, or in their place as hard, as Labour. No aspiration, no ambition, you are to live as you always have, with the money you can just about scrape together, for to do anything else is a betrayal of the Labour movement. I live in a city which shows the scars of what happens when Labour puts its places first. Not good. Never good.
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Post by Chris Cassidy on Jan 24, 2014 22:46:38 GMT
It does worry me when Labour 'Put areas first'. They have been putting Manchester first for over 60 years and it's still a poverty filled city! You could say the same for many Labour 'heartlands'. Nobody puts working class people down as much, or in their place as hard, as Labour. No aspiration, no ambition, you are to live as you always have, with the money you can just about scrape together, for to do anything else is a betrayal of the Labour movement. I live in a city which shows the scars of what happens when Labour puts its places first. Not good. Never good. Spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 22:52:34 GMT
so go on then chris, what is your answer then ?
Flat taxes ?
Taxi Driver uniforms ?
(opps sorry your leader in one stroke ditched all those, did he consult with people ?)
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Post by Chris Cassidy on Jan 24, 2014 23:01:03 GMT
Getting rid of labour would sort out Manchester! The reason I dislike Labour so much is that I've seen so many people from my year in high school do nothing with their life apart from go on the dole, have kids and get a council house because 'everyone does that, that's what you're suppose to do, you know, the work class lot, innit?'
So many Labour members and politicians can only quote policies and statistics, simply because they can't admit what it's like living in a place where you're encouraged to be poor, just so you'll keep voting Labour. God forbid you end up earning more money and voting for a different party!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:08:12 GMT
so no answer then and just like the rest of you lot just a rant. I should be used to it by now but not surprised. Press a UKIPPER to answer a question beyond Europe and you can not, just like Farage over the past two days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:27:04 GMT
I wouldn't call that a rant, Ian. It's certainly true that very comfortable, very middle class, very well heeled Labour politicians are well versed in the latest facts and figures, but can't say a word about the communities under their watch for two generations or more which are as grim today as they've always been. Labour have a natural unease with giving working class people a 'boost', just look at the bizarre rants against lifting the income tax threshold (from a party that paid off the middle class with the 10p tax rate hike).
I can show you parts of Preston that have only known Labour representation. You wouldn't like it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:31:57 GMT
I asked a question what would he do ..
nothing obviously ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:35:33 GMT
Getting rid of labour would sort out Manchester! The reason I dislike Labour so much is that I've seen so many people from my year in high school do nothing with their life apart from go on the dole, have kids and get a council house because 'everyone does that, that's what you're suppose to do, you know, the work class lot, innit?' So many Labour members and politicians can only quote policies and statistics, simply because they can't admit what it's like living in a place where you're encouraged to be poor, just so you'll keep voting Labour. God forbid you end up earning more money and voting for a different party! I come from a household where Labour made it possible and worthwhile for a low skilled single parent to find work. I've got some pretty big problems with the labour party - as demonstrated by my shiny green tag - but they have certainly helped many people and far more than any UKIP policy. Oh wait, I forgot.. UKIP don't have any policies right now do they?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:46:39 GMT
Well Farage has said that, I note the lack of support he is getting for that stance.
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Post by Chris Cassidy on Jan 24, 2014 23:52:16 GMT
I asked a question what would he do .. nothing obviously ... I gave you an answer... replace the control of Manchester City Council from labour to any other mainstream party and it'll get better with weeks! There is a reason why Brooklands (Trafford) does so much better than Brooklands (Manchester).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2014 23:55:11 GMT
You mean like Birmingham and Walsall got better under Tory so Chris I am asking WHAT YOU WOULD DO ? what policies would YOU implement to make things better ? typical UKIP, rant, rave and when asked what YOU would do, nothing. the last UKIP leaflet we got here for a local election mentioned local policies once, the rest was Europe blah blah blah
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 25, 2014 0:06:22 GMT
Oh look it's that ludicrous piece of intellectual dishonesty again. I wouldn't mind... no, that's a lie. I wouldn't mind so much if you people were at least capable of understanding that 'cause' and 'effect' are not the same things.
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Post by Sibboleth on Jan 25, 2014 0:09:44 GMT
replace the control of Manchester City Council from labour to any other mainstream party and it'll get better with weeks! Please explain how. You must use coherent sentences, logic, and reasonable evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 0:16:57 GMT
the usual picture from Labour
Labour Press Team @labourpress Congratulations to Mike Kane - Labour's candidate in Wythenshawe and Sale East pic.twitter.com/zzM3yNFscq
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