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Post by carlton43 on Nov 27, 2013 12:02:28 GMT
And I don't think the SPGB would take very kindly to being described as a Trotskyite splinter group, john. As they were founded in 1904 (and, yes, as a split from the SDF), they would regard themselves as the block not the splinter! Similarly, the Stalinist elements in TUSC (i.e. many of the RMT participants) wouldn't take too kindly to that either. I have no idea why the SWP are considered (and consider themselves) Trotskyist. Well. Who bloody cares? If all these factions were rounded up in their extended entirety they would probably fail to fill 6-double deckers. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 27, 2013 12:03:52 GMT
Similarly, the Stalinist elements in TUSC (i.e. many of the RMT participants) wouldn't take too kindly to that either. I have no idea why the SWP are considered (and consider themselves) Trotskyist. Well. Who bloody cares? If all these factions were rounded up in their extended entirety they would probably fail to fill 6-double deckers. Except you'd have to keep each member on a separate bus, otherwise they'd end up splitting...  |
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Post by slicesofjim on Nov 27, 2013 13:42:33 GMT
Similarly, the Stalinist elements in TUSC (i.e. many of the RMT participants) wouldn't take too kindly to that either. I have no idea why the SWP are considered (and consider themselves) Trotskyist. Well. Who bloody cares? If all these factions were rounded up in their extended entirety they would probably fail to fill 6-double deckers. Well it would be more like 4/5000 people actually. |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 27, 2013 14:07:54 GMT
Well. Who bloody cares? If all these factions were rounded up in their extended entirety they would probably fail to fill 6-double deckers. Well it would be more like 4/5000 people actually. Thanks Jim. I had thought it to be a fewer. |
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Post by slicesofjim on Nov 27, 2013 22:11:08 GMT
Well it would be more like 4/5000 people actually. Thanks Jim. I had thought it to be a fewer. c. 2000 in the Socialist Party, c. 1500 in the Socialist Workers Party (I disregard their fantasy figure of 6000 for various reasons, available on request), c. 900 in the Communist Party (not in TUSC), a couple of hundred in various smaller sects (some in TUSC). There's probably a couple of thousand non-party far-lefties out there like me as well (only organisations can join TUSC, individuals are restricted to being 'supporters'). |
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Post by carlton43 on Nov 27, 2013 23:37:55 GMT
Thanks Jim. I had thought it to be a fewer. c. 2000 in the Socialist Party, c. 1500 in the Socialist Workers Party (I disregard their fantasy figure of 6000 for various reasons, available on request), c. 900 in the Communist Party (not in TUSC), a couple of hundred in various smaller sects (some in TUSC). There's probably a couple of thousand non-party far-lefties out there like me as well (only organisations can join TUSC, individuals are restricted to being 'supporters'). Jim, I think all parties, large and small, tend to overstate and to indulge in fantasy, but I think you will be much closer to the truth than my ill-informed guess. How does it feel to be in a small factional enclave of the leftist movement rather than in the warm embrace of the broad church of Mother Labour? Or does the party system have no appeal when you have clearly worked out a personal position? As with Stanley Spenser who ended up out of the C of E and forming his own 'Church of Me'. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 28, 2013 11:30:13 GMT
Did the SSP not claim a membership of around 3,000 at their height? From what I've heard, it's something more like 300 now.
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Post by slicesofjim on Nov 28, 2013 11:57:02 GMT
c. 2000 in the Socialist Party, c. 1500 in the Socialist Workers Party (I disregard their fantasy figure of 6000 for various reasons, available on request), c. 900 in the Communist Party (not in TUSC), a couple of hundred in various smaller sects (some in TUSC). There's probably a couple of thousand non-party far-lefties out there like me as well (only organisations can join TUSC, individuals are restricted to being 'supporters'). Jim, I think all parties, large and small, tend to overstate and to indulge in fantasy, but I think you will be much closer to the truth than my ill-informed guess. How does it feel to be in a small factional enclave of the leftist movement rather than in the warm embrace of the broad church of Mother Labour? Or does the party system have no appeal when you have clearly worked out a personal position? As with Stanley Spenser who ended up out of the C of E and forming his own 'Church of Me'. The Socialist Party figure is about right, I attended Congresses where the financial statements revealed the real figures, and it was hovering just over 2000. I think they've suffered some losses in membership since I left (though not because of that!), I couldn't quantify it though. For the CPB I go on the Electoral Commission figures, which I haven't checked for a year or so, but there's no reason to think that they've suffered a significant decline in membership in that time. As for Mother Labour, I consider her to be an abusive parent and I'm glad I have nothing to do with her. I'm not a member of any political party, and my role in TUSC allows me to say what I want and conduct the political activity that I, together with the local group, deem important. We're not answerable to any time-serving full-timer hacks in Bristol or London. Freedom! |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Nov 28, 2013 21:09:30 GMT
Jim, I think all parties, large and small, tend to overstate and to indulge in fantasy, but I think you will be much closer to the truth than my ill-informed guess. How does it feel to be in a small factional enclave of the leftist movement rather than in the warm embrace of the broad church of Mother Labour? Or does the party system have no appeal when you have clearly worked out a personal position? As with Stanley Spenser who ended up out of the C of E and forming his own 'Church of Me'. The Socialist Party figure is about right, I attended Congresses where the financial statements revealed the real figures, and it was hovering just over 2000. I think they've suffered some losses in membership since I left (though not because of that!), I couldn't quantify it though. For the CPB I go on the Electoral Commission figures, which I haven't checked for a year or so, but there's no reason to think that they've suffered a significant decline in membership in that time. As for Mother Labour, I consider her to be an abusive parent and I'm glad I have nothing to do with her. I'm not a member of any political party, and my role in TUSC allows me to say what I want and conduct the political activity that I, together with the local group, deem important. We're not answerable to any time-serving full-timer hacks in Bristol or London. Freedom! I'm not sure I'm answerable to any time-serving full-timer hacks in Harlow. The influence of regional Labour staffers is heavily overstated, and in nowhere is this more true than our weaker regions. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Nov 28, 2013 21:29:57 GMT
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Post by slicesofjim on Nov 28, 2013 21:33:36 GMT
The full-timer hacks was more of a reference to the Socialist Party. I don't know about the internal organisation of the Labour Party, I do know that someone with my politics, if ever I was successful in getting any traction at a local level (particularly getting on the council and actually acting on my politics), I would be kicked out of Labour.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 21:51:25 GMT
I'm so happy that andrewteale wrote "Sentelens" on his preview My (great, technically) aunt Winnie had a go about Sentelens crem, "you had to sit there watchin' em' roll away int'flames, like". |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 28, 2013 22:47:28 GMT
Turnout seems to be 19% in Vassall, and 21% in Horbury and South Ossett.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 28, 2013 23:13:25 GMT
Horbury and South Ossett is a Labour hold.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 28, 2013 23:23:55 GMT
LAMBETH Vassall
Labour hold
Paul GADSBY (The Labour Party Candidate) 1,319
Colette THOMAS (Liberal Democrats) 468
Kelly BEN-MAIMON (Conservative Party Candidate) 153
Rachel LAURENCE (The Green Party) 113
Elizabeth JONES (UK Independence Party (UKIP)) 87
Steven NALLY (Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts) 44
Danny LAMBERT (The Socialist Party (GB)) 22
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 28, 2013 23:25:02 GMT
Have percentages but not numbers for Horbury and South Ossett:
LAB 40.3% (-0.2), #UKIP 32.5% (+22.0), CON 19.1% (-3.7), LDEM 8.1% (-0.2).
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Post by markgoodair on Nov 28, 2013 23:31:19 GMT
Have percentages but not numbers for Horbury and South Ossett: LAB 40.3% (-0.2), #UKIP 32.5% (+22.0), CON 19.1% (-3.7), LDEM 8.1% (-0.2). Lab 1041 Ukip 856 Con 504 Lib dem 212 |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 28, 2013 23:32:22 GMT
Labour hold Billinge and Seneley Green with a 500 majority.
Conservatives hold Winkfield and Cranbourne.
The changes in Vassall would be enough to see every Liberal Democrat and Conservative councillor lose their seat if repeated across the borough.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 28, 2013 23:36:34 GMT
Was the UKIPper in Wakefield this time the Independent last year?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 23:39:42 GMT
Was the UKIPper in Wakefield this time the Independent last year? Yes. |
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