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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 13:08:00 GMT
Don't you find it amazing that the MP's force FPTP on the rest of us but in their own internal elections use transferable votes.
Not that it would have changed the result using FPTP so I guess it is just hypocrisy then.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Oct 18, 2013 17:10:23 GMT
It's a bit difficult to maintain that MPs in this parliament have 'forced' FPTP on the rest of us if you remember that we were given a referendum on whether we wanted to change to a system of transferable votes and we rather emphatically said 'no thank you'
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 17:11:31 GMT
Don't you find it amazing that the MP's force FPTP on the rest of us but in their own internal elections use transferable votes. Not that it would have changed the result using FPTP so I guess it is just hypocrisy then. Well technically it was the electorate who forced FPTP on us. Its a shit system - pity the only other choice was the only system I think worse of. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 19:28:44 GMT
It's a bit difficult to maintain that MPs in this parliament have 'forced' FPTP on the rest of us if you remember that we were given a referendum on whether we wanted to change to a system of transferable votes and we rather emphatically said 'no thank you' after all, the vast majority of the Tory party was against and of course AV would have meant babies dying apparently. why did they not do FPTP for this election if it so damm good, fact is most of the parties in internal elections offer a form of transferable vote. We should remember that Cameron would not be PM if FPTP had operated in his leadership election. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 18, 2013 19:43:49 GMT
It's a bit difficult to maintain that MPs in this parliament have 'forced' FPTP on the rest of us if you remember that we were given a referendum on whether we wanted to change to a system of transferable votes and we rather emphatically said 'no thank you' after all, the vast majority of the Tory party was against and of course AV would have meant babies dying apparently. why did they not do FPTP for this election if it so damm good, fact is most of the parties in internal elections offer a form of transferable vote. We should remember that Cameron would not be PM if FPTP had operated in his leadership election. It is a good question ian - FPTP seems to be hardly used at all in "public" membership elections these days. I'm not sure whether this is because it looks bad or the balloting companies prefer not to use it..... but as Pete says, we had a chance to get rid of it, and it was lost. It would have been better to have had a different choice, but there you go... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 20:16:59 GMT
I would like to think that next time we would put in our manifesto and if we win just implement it, you do not need a referendum to change a voting system.
I can dream ..
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 18, 2013 20:28:20 GMT
I would like to think that next time we would put in our manifesto and if we win just implement it, you do not need a referendum to change a voting system. I can dream .. You certainly don't, but there is the slight problem of a large section of our own party who wouldn't want it anywhere near the manifesto.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 20:48:43 GMT
indeed but those I believe are a dying number of people
The british political scene is changing and does anyone see any party getting 40% any time soon ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 20:56:09 GMT
Constitutional reform in this country is rare and beautiful, like an attractive Spaniard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 21:51:01 GMT
I would like to think that next time we would put in our manifesto and if we win just implement it, you do not need a referendum to change a voting system. I can dream .. Judge, jury executioner. |
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Post by greenchristian on Oct 22, 2013 19:00:24 GMT
Don't you find it amazing that the MP's force FPTP on the rest of us but in their own internal elections use transferable votes. Not that it would have changed the result using FPTP so I guess it is just hypocrisy then. Well technically it was the electorate who forced FPTP on us. Its a shit system - pity the only other choice was the only system I think worse of. You think that Supplementary Vote is better than FPTP? |
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Post by erlend on Oct 22, 2013 19:06:15 GMT
I think SV can actually be a worse monstrosity than FPTP. Try the first Torbay Mayoral. The problem is the having to guess who will make the final. At least the French System which it resembles being 2 separate rounds lets the voters know who is in the second round (although sometimes leaving 3 in)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 20:16:09 GMT
Well technically it was the electorate who forced FPTP on us. Its a shit system - pity the only other choice was the only system I think worse of. You think that Supplementary Vote is better than FPTP? Just a subcategory of alternative vote really. |
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Post by Crimson King on Oct 22, 2013 20:45:07 GMT
You think that Supplementary Vote is better than FPTP? Just a subcategory of alternative vote really. no |
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Post by erlend on Oct 22, 2013 20:59:59 GMT
I can agree but it is a worse one with its inflexibility.
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