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Post by greenhert on May 2, 2020 16:16:25 GMT
Do you think the Boundary Commission would allow this plan for West Central London & Hounslow to go through? It would avoid making a mess out of Ealing's three constituencies. That looks far too logical for the Boundary Commission. There is not much of a link between Chiswick and Hammersmith, though, and I am sure residents of Chiswick would vociferously object to a hypothetical "Hammersmith & Chiswick" constituency.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 2, 2020 21:22:08 GMT
Do you think the Boundary Commission would allow this plan for West Central London & Hounslow to go through? It would avoid making a mess out of Ealing's three constituencies. No. It would in fact be ultra vires of them to do so, presuming the electorate figures stay stable.
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Post by greenhert on May 2, 2020 21:45:12 GMT
I meant in a future 650-seat review, where Hounslow will be too large for two seats but not large enough for three and where the electorate in West Central London means enough seats there are undersized.
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Post by greatkingrat on May 2, 2020 22:06:19 GMT
That looks far too logical for the Boundary Commission. There is not much of a link between Chiswick and Hammersmith, though, and I am sure residents of Chiswick would vociferously object to a hypothetical "Hammersmith & Chiswick" constituency. Chiswick probably has better connections to Hammersmith than it has to the rest of Hounslow borough.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 3, 2020 15:21:08 GMT
I give you the fantasy constituencies of Putney, Battersea, and Tooting, all nicely within quota, by splitting the Local Government Commission's awful Fairfield and Nightingale wards.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on May 4, 2020 14:26:56 GMT
Playing with the new features in Boundary Assistant. Eight constituencies in the Parts of Lindsey and Holland and the City of Lincoln, and three in Rutland and the Parts of Kesteven.
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Post by bluelabour on May 4, 2020 18:07:51 GMT
View AttachmentPlaying with the new features in Boundary Assistant. Eight constituencies in the Parts of Lindsey and Holland and the City of Lincoln, and three in Rutland and the Parts of Kesteven. I wonder how fantastical these turn out to be - has the government confirmed that it will continue using the Euro regions in the new Boundary Review?
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Post by greenchristian on May 7, 2020 18:36:47 GMT
Playing with the new features in Boundary Assistant. Eight constituencies in the Parts of Lindsey and Holland and the City of Lincoln, and three in Rutland and the Parts of Kesteven. I wonder how fantastical these turn out to be - has the government confirmed that it will continue using the Euro regions in the new Boundary Review? Wasn't that the Boundary Commission's decision in both of the zombie reviews?
For England it makes a lot of sense to break the job down into regions rather than trying to develop a single plan for the whole country. And despite the shortcomings of some of the regional boundaries they are pretty much the only set of agreed boundaries that are about the right scale for the job. Go too small and there isn't enough flexibility (e.g. there are counties where it is impossible to create an integer number of constituencies within quota). Go too large and the job becomes far too big for anyone but the most dedicated to submit their own plan (unless they're being paid for their time) and working out the knock-on effects of a small number of changes could become a nightmare (imagine the worst-case scenario with a national plan for England where changes made in Cumbria have knock-on effects that cascade all the way down to Kent or Cornwall). Whilst it's possible that the Boundary Commission for England would define their own regional boundaries for the sake of keeping things manageable it's just easier for them to go with the existing ones.
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Post by bluelabour on May 7, 2020 18:41:35 GMT
I wonder how fantastical these turn out to be - has the government confirmed that it will continue using the Euro regions in the new Boundary Review? Wasn't that the Boundary Commission's decision in both of the zombie reviews?
For England it makes a lot of sense to break the job down into regions rather than trying to develop a single plan for the whole country. And despite the shortcomings of some of the regional boundaries they are pretty much the only set of agreed boundaries that are about the right scale for the job. Go too small and there isn't enough flexibility (e.g. there are counties where it is impossible to create an integer number of constituencies within quota). Go too large and the job becomes far too big for anyone but the most dedicated to submit their own plan (unless they're being paid for their time) and working out the knock-on effects of a small number of changes could become a nightmare (imagine the worst-case scenario with a national plan for England where changes made in Cumbria have knock-on effects that cascade all the way down to Kent or Cornwall). Whilst it's possible that the Boundary Commission for England would define their own regional boundaries for the sake of keeping things manageable it's just easier for them to go with the existing ones.
I'd be fine with them using the existing regions if and only if North Lincolnshire was moved from Yorkshire to East Midlands.
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Post by bjornhattan on May 7, 2020 18:56:21 GMT
Wasn't that the Boundary Commission's decision in both of the zombie reviews?
For England it makes a lot of sense to break the job down into regions rather than trying to develop a single plan for the whole country. And despite the shortcomings of some of the regional boundaries they are pretty much the only set of agreed boundaries that are about the right scale for the job. Go too small and there isn't enough flexibility (e.g. there are counties where it is impossible to create an integer number of constituencies within quota). Go too large and the job becomes far too big for anyone but the most dedicated to submit their own plan (unless they're being paid for their time) and working out the knock-on effects of a small number of changes could become a nightmare (imagine the worst-case scenario with a national plan for England where changes made in Cumbria have knock-on effects that cascade all the way down to Kent or Cornwall). Whilst it's possible that the Boundary Commission for England would define their own regional boundaries for the sake of keeping things manageable it's just easier for them to go with the existing ones.
I'd be fine with them using the existing regions if and only if North Lincolnshire was moved from Yorkshire to East Midlands. It might be useful if there were some changes in regional boundaries in the north of Yorkshire. I'd suggest a move to the Tees though it would make some fairly sensible constituencies impossible (like the current Stockton South). The key point is that a "Cleveland and Whitby" constituency should be an option if the numbers work. Or the inclusion of Stokesley and Great Ayton in a seat with Guisborough or parts of south Middlesbrough.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 7, 2020 19:00:07 GMT
I'd be fine with them using the existing regions if and only if North Lincolnshire was moved from Yorkshire to East Midlands. It might be useful if there were some changes in regional boundaries in the north of Yorkshire. I'd suggest a move to the Tees though it would make some fairly sensible constituencies impossible (like the current Stockton South). The key point is that a "Cleveland and Whitby" constituency should be an option if the numbers work. Or the inclusion of Stokesley and Great Ayton in a seat with Guisborough or parts of south Middlesbrough. In both cases these are the ceremonial counties so it really isn't too much to ask that the regional boundaries respect these. In the North Yorkshire case granted it could be a bit more controversial because it divides Stockton borough - no such problem in Lincolnshire though
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Post by greenhert on May 7, 2020 20:22:34 GMT
Playing with the new features in Boundary Assistant. Eight constituencies in the Parts of Lindsey and Holland and the City of Lincoln, and three in Rutland and the Parts of Kesteven. Louth & Cleethorpes has practically the same boundaries as the old Louth constituency did prior to its abolition in 1983. Nowadays however it makes more sense for Grimsby and Cleethorpes to be together in one constituency given how intertwined they are now.
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Post by jamie on May 24, 2020 17:12:35 GMT
Just had a quick play about with 650 seat Cumbria/North Lancashire, and it looks like my long-term fantasy of Whitehaven and Windermere may prove to be the least worst option
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 1:58:05 GMT
Just had a quick play about with 650 seat Cumbria/North Lancashire, and it looks like my long-term fantasy of Whitehaven and Windermere may prove to be the least worst option Mountains! Think of the mountains!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 7:30:27 GMT
Crossing the Mersey twice.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 16, 2021 20:07:02 GMT
Crossing the Mersey twice. This belongs more in the "Pitchfork Bait" thread.
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 16, 2021 20:10:06 GMT
Crossing the Mersey twice. Presumably someone has already suggested a "Mersey Ferry" constituency?
(Gerry Marsden's funeral today )
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 16, 2021 20:25:57 GMT
I forgot we had this thread - I'd mistakenly posted this on the pitchfork thread
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Post by johnloony on Jan 17, 2021 14:13:15 GMT
One fantasy idea of mine is to have a system of phasing out general elections and just having by-elections. Each constituency has to have an election every 5 years, but they happen on the 5th anniversary of the last by-election. If a constituency has had a by-election within the last 5 years, it opts out of the rest of the country having a general election. As more and more constituencies gradually have vacancies, the number of constituencies with their own individual timetable of by-elections every 5 years grows, and the residual number of constituencies which have to have a general election gradually diminishes.
This system only works if there are continuous constituency boundaries in the long term, with no wholesale changes of the boundaries. So, to account for population shifts, the boundary changes work as follows:
1. Start with a fresh fair set of boundaries, with a fixed number of seats (e.g. 650) and a permitted range of electorates (e.g. 5%). 2. Th boundaries are constantly monitored by a Boundary Commission. 3. As soon as the electorate of a constituency goes outside the permitted range, the BC adjusts the boundaries of that constituency to keep it within the limit. For example, a single street at the edge of the constituency will be transferred to the neighbouring constituency. If population changes continue, the same constituency might be salami-sliced, one street at a time, or one tower-block at a time, or one village at a time, gradually in the same direction. 4. These marginal boundary changes take effect immediately, so that the electors in the transferred bit change their MP without an election. 5. The BC uses polling-district-level data to make a psephological assessment to judge whether a micro-change in the boundary of a constituency is enough to change the party that would have won the seat on the new boundaries; if it does notionally change party, then the BC orders a by-election (unless an election is due soon anyway).
Thus, the map of constituencies would be like a patchwork of 650 organic blobs gradually creeping across the landscape like starfish or like patches of fungus, all carefully staying within the electorate limit at all times.
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Post by pl on Jan 17, 2021 14:39:28 GMT
One fantasy idea of mine is to have a system of phasing out general elections and just having by-elections. I thought for a moment you were heading down the path of the pre-1793 Irish House of Commons whereby you were elected in a by-election, and you were a member until death, expulsion, ennoblement or taking holy orders. No resignation allowed. No general elections!
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