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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2021 15:28:08 GMT
I really like John's "fungus" idea. However I'd legislate for by-elections to be called when X number of salami slices have been reached, so the growth of constituencies by house building etc would become far more of a significant policy area than it already is. Certainty would focus minds.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 17, 2021 15:36:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 9:09:59 GMT
And a House of Commons of about 360. This is very rough and ready because I don't want my tea to go cold before I set off to work. But it's a good start for a rapidly reduced Commons. Consider this my Provisional Recommendations. 1. Blackpool and Lytham St Annes 2. Fylde and Wyre 3. Lancaster, Morecambe and Kendal 4. Preston, Penwortham and Leyland 5. West Lancashire 6. Chorley and Bamber Bridge 7. Blackburn, Darwen and Accrington 8. Ribble Valley, Pendle and Rural Burnley 9. Rossendale, Burnley and Ramsbottom.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 3, 2021 22:24:37 GMT
Here's to joining doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ in the 360 game (range 125502 to 138711). Here's a go at Kent: 1 Ashford 131850 Yes 2 Dover 133217 Yes 3 Thanet 132878 Yes 4 Canterbury 135277 Yes 5 Gillingham and Sheppey 125668 Yes 6 Maidstone 136105 Yes 7 Tonbridge 134178 Yes 8 Medway 126066 Yes 9 Gravesend 132418 Yes 10 Dartford 137343 Yes
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 3, 2021 23:00:24 GMT
1 Romford 133018 Yes 2 Dagenham 133189 Yes 3 Ilford 130814 Yes 4 Woodford 138644 Yes 5 Walthamstow 127075 Yes 6 Newham 132744 Yes 7 Docklands 136424 Yes 8 Tower Hamlets 132785 Yes 9 Hackney 136160 Yes 10 Islington 126620 Yes 11 Camden 132353 Yes 12 Cities Of London & Westminster 129507 Yes 13 Chelsea 137974 Yes 14 Queen's Park 130578 Yes 15 Haringey 136523 Yes 16 Enfield 132506 Yes 17 Barnet & Southgate 133120 Yes 18 Hendon & Finchley 131842 Yes 19 Stanmore & Edgware 127438 Yes 20 Harrow 128182 Yes 21 Wembley 131696 Yes 22 Uxbridge 128787 Yes 23 Southall 130809 Yes 24 Ealing 128997 Yes 25 Brentford 127910 Yes 26 Twickenham 132759 Yes Edi: sorry to edit after its been liked but needed some improvements in the HAringey/Enfield/Barnet/Harrow area
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 3, 2021 23:18:36 GMT
27 Kingston & Richmond 130311 Yes 28 Wimbledon, Malden & Morden 131014 Yes 29 Sutton 135206 Yes 30 Wandsworth 131714 Yes 31 Mitcham & Tooting 132705 Yes 32 Battersea & Vauxhall 138408 Yes 33 Southwark & Deptford 132531 Yes 34 Brixton & Peckham 135241 Yes 35 Croydon South 128434 Yes 36 Croydon North 135422 Yes 37 Crystal Palace 138403 Yes 38 Lewisham 130283 Yes 39 Greenwich & Woolwich 137480 Yes 40 Bexley 128607 Yes 41 Chislehurst 129104 Yes 42 Bromley 127137 Yes
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 3, 2021 23:25:12 GMT
Hampshire. A less happy county on 360. Here's the shredding Winchester version, because the shredding Basingstoke version is worse: 1 Aldershot 135603 Yes 2 Basingstoke 134913 Yes 3 Havant 134335 Yes 4 Meon Valley 137151 Yes 5 Portsmouth 135958 Yes 6 Fareham 132326 Yes 7 Winchester 136710 Yes 8 Eastleigh 135936 Yes 9 Southampton 132349 Yes 10 New Forest 137840 Yes
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Feb 3, 2021 23:25:34 GMT
27 Kingston & Richmond 130311 Yes 28 Wimbledon, Malden & Morden 131014 Yes 29 Sutton 135206 Yes 30 Wandsworth 131714 Yes 31 Mitcham & Tooting 132705 Yes 32 Battersea & Vauxhall 138408 Yes 33 Southwark & Deptford 132531 Yes 34 Brixton & Peckham 135241 Yes 35 Croydon South 128434 Yes 36 Croydon North 135422 Yes 37 Crystal Palace 138403 Yes 38 Lewisham 130283 Yes 39 Greenwich & Woolwich 137480 Yes 40 Bexley 128607 Yes 41 Chislehurst 129104 Yes 42 Bromley 127137 Yes Tooting & Mitcham for 31, please- to match the name of my football club.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Feb 3, 2021 23:31:13 GMT
This is a good game
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Post by Andrew_S on Feb 3, 2021 23:38:55 GMT
Drawing a map of London to eliminate most of the Tory seats would be an interesting task from a technical point of view.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Feb 4, 2021 0:10:40 GMT
Continuing the fun... Bucks, Berks, and Oxon: 1 Witney 135562 Yes 2 Henley 127553 Yes 3 Oxford 134167 Yes 4 Wantage 126658 Yes 5 Newbury 130995 Yes 6 Reading 127714 Yes 7 Windsor 131210 Yes 8 Bracknell 133163 Yes 9 Milton Keynes 137877 Yes 10 Buckingham 135226 Yes 11 Chesham 137640 Yes 12 Wycombe 129178 Yes 13 Beaconsfield 135012 Yes (Seeing as it's a fantasy constituency, it is definitely not called Slough.)
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Post by andrewp on Feb 4, 2021 10:08:51 GMT
So far, the 360 member House of Commons seat models seem to have produced very good seats. In some cases with less issues than the 650 seat models within a relatively small tolerance. Perhaps 360 is the way forward!
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 4, 2021 10:59:11 GMT
So far, the 360 member House of Commons seat models seem to have produced very good seats. In some cases with less issues than the 650 seat models within a relatively small tolerance. Perhaps 360 is the way forward! The North East posed a bit of a problem - the three authorities north of the Tyne have 4.5 quotas (or thereabouts), so you have to have a cross-border seat - I paired Hexham and Blaydon which is the least bad option but it's still not great: 1 Berwick and Wansbeck 125968 Yes 2 Tynemouth and Blyth 134303 Yes 3 Wallsend 131468 Yes 4 Newcastle upon Tyne 131948 Yes 5 Hexham and Blaydon 127650 Yes 6 Gateshead and Washington 129959 Yes 7 South Tyneside 128028 Yes 8 Sunderland 127987 Yes 9 Durham 135892 Yes 10 Consett and Chester-le-Street 131758 Yes 11 Sedgefield 133344 Yes 12 Darlington 135527 Yes 13 Hartlepool and Billingham 126089 Yes 14 Middlesbrough and Stockton 126651 Yes 15 Redcar and Cleveland 126427 Yes
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 4, 2021 10:59:39 GMT
So far, the 360 member House of Commons seat models seem to have produced very good seats. In some cases with less issues than the 650 seat models within a relatively small tolerance. Perhaps 360 is the way forward! Well, they could be the directly elected members, then the rest elected from a national list to ensure proportionality.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 11:02:31 GMT
See, who needs a constitutional convention, we're a handful of nerds and done it all in two pages of a messageboard!
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 4, 2021 12:48:11 GMT
Essex works less well. Neat seats matching the local authorities for Basildon, Chelmsford and Southend, but Brentwood and Colchester get split in half and it wouldn't be popular in Maldon or Harlow either (unless of course you can convince somebody that Peninsulas of Dengie and Tendring is a credible idea):
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Post by J.G.Harston on Feb 4, 2021 12:53:33 GMT
So far, the 360 member House of Commons seat models seem to have produced very good seats. In some cases with less issues than the 650 seat models within a relatively small tolerance. Perhaps 360 is the way forward! The North East posed a bit of a problem - the three authorities north of the Tyne have 4.5 quotas (or thereabouts), so you have to have a cross-border seat - I paired Hexham and Blaydon which is the least bad option but it's still not great: 14 Middlesbrough and Stockton 126651 Yes 15 Redcar and Cleveland 126427 Yes I think that's one of the best Middlesbrough/Cleveland splits I've seen. Shame it's not real.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 4, 2021 13:00:45 GMT
See, who needs a constitutional convention, we're a handful of nerds eminent and charismatic psephologists and done it all in two pages of a messageboard! FTFY as the kids say.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 4, 2021 15:16:45 GMT
27 Kingston & Richmond 130311 Yes 28 Wimbledon, Malden & Morden 131014 Yes 29 Sutton 135206 Yes 30 Wandsworth 131714 Yes 31 Mitcham & Tooting 132705 Yes 32 Battersea & Vauxhall 138408 Yes 33 Southwark & Deptford 132531 Yes 34 Brixton & Peckham 135241 Yes 35 Croydon South 128434 Yes 36 Croydon North 135422 Yes 37 Crystal Palace 138403 Yes 38 Lewisham 130283 Yes 39 Greenwich & Woolwich 137480 Yes 40 Bexley 128607 Yes 41 Chislehurst 129104 Yes 42 Bromley 127137 Yes A better split between Croydon North and Croydon South would be to have Waddon in South and Addiscome East in North. Waddon South has always 'been" part of South Croydon (geographical, not al Ways electorally) despite being more Laboury, and it would keep the two Addiscombe wards together. And it would equalise the electorates more. Your version would only be better from the viewpoint of trying to gerrymander the two halves of Croydon to maximise the two parties ' majorities.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 4, 2021 15:23:12 GMT
My fantasy method of drawing boundaries to equalise electorates is as follows:
Suppose that there are, say, 50 constituencies in a region. 1. Allocate the ward with the largest electorate to constituency 1. 2. Allocate the next largest wards to the constituencies 2 to 50, in order. 3. Allocate the next largest ward to whichever constituency has the smallest electorate. 4. Repeat stage 3 until all wards are allocated.
In a region like Yorkshire, where there are lots of small rural wards with electorates of only 1k or 2k, the final result would be very even and equal in terms of constituency electorates.
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