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Post by Merseymike on Jun 24, 2020 9:46:28 GMT
I don't think that one is, given that the points related to the areas Labour may need to change in policy terms, don't have any relationship to Corbyn. Still waiting for the 'Centre for Towns' report and, of course, the Nuffield study. Indeed. Perhaps if the collective angst could subside for long enough, but it's the worst possible time for some applied thinking. I think we could be waiting a while longer.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 24, 2020 10:48:46 GMT
Graphic by Paula Surridge (she pumps out some excellent stuff) based upon data from the British Election Study:-
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Three clusters of voters.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jun 24, 2020 11:27:29 GMT
Graphic by Paula Surridge (she pumps out some excellent stuff) based upon data from the British Election Study:- /photo/1 Three clusters of voters. Difficult to tell with the axis going 4-10,0-6, but it looks like all parties' voters are more authoritarian than the parties they vote for. Interesting that Conservative voters get more authoritarian as they tack leftwards, and the Greens' voters are doing they same while tacking rightwards.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 24, 2020 11:33:55 GMT
Graphic by Paula Surridge (she pumps out some excellent stuff) based upon data from the British Election Study:- /photo/1 Three clusters of voters. Difficult to tell with the axis going 4-10,0-6, but it looks like all parties' voters are more authoritarian than the parties they vote for. Interesting that Conservative voters get more authoritarian as they tack leftwards, and the Greens' voters are doing they same while tacking rightwards. The average voter does appear to be economically left but socially right.
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Post by YL on Jun 25, 2020 8:24:14 GMT
Difficult to tell with the axis going 4-10,0-6, but it looks like all parties' voters are more authoritarian than the parties they vote for. Interesting that Conservative voters get more authoritarian as they tack leftwards, and the Greens' voters are doing they same while tacking rightwards. The average voter does appear to be economically left but socially right. I'd be careful with saying things like that based on this sort of survey. As far as I can tell, these terms are only defined here in terms of a particular set of questions (five each for the economic left/right scale and for the liberal/authoritarian scale). Furthermore, all the left/right statements took the "left" position and all the liberal/authoritarian statements took the "authoritarian" one. There's a reasonably well known bias in these things that people tend to prefer to agree to statements than to disagree to them, and in fact according to Bob Altemeyer (in The Authoritarians) this bias is stronger among authoritarians. I think the big picture (things like the Tories' voters becoming progressively less right but also more authoritarian over the three elections) is fairly robust, but I wouldn't make too many claims based on the fine detail, especially as it affects smaller parties like Plaid and the Greens.
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Post by Daft H'a'porth A'peth A'pith on Jun 25, 2020 8:51:49 GMT
People's social and economic views can regularly bear no relation to how they vote.
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Post by manchesterman on Jun 25, 2020 10:32:34 GMT
Graphic by Paula Surridge (she pumps out some excellent stuff) based upon data from the British Election Study:- /photo/1 Three clusters of voters.
Interesting piece of work.
Fascinating that it seems to conclude that Lab 17 and Lab 19 were less left-wing than Lab15!
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 25, 2020 10:37:36 GMT
Fascinating that it seems to conclude that Lab 17 and Lab 19 were less left-wing than Lab15!
Based on what, exactly?
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Post by iain on Jun 25, 2020 10:40:25 GMT
Fascinating that it seems to conclude that Lab 17 and Lab 19 were less left-wing than Lab15!
Based on what, exactly? Voters - it seems very plausible given your absorption of Lib Dems and Greens, many of whom like to think of themselves as very left wing but are in fact just very socially liberal.
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 25, 2020 11:21:52 GMT
Voters - it seems very plausible given your absorption of Lib Dems and Greens, many of whom like to think of themselves as very left wing but are in fact just very socially liberal. Perhaps party members too, with there being something of a correlation between enthusiastic support for the EU - as far as rejoining - and switches from Corbyn to Starmer.
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Post by johnloony on Jun 25, 2020 12:12:11 GMT
King Godred I of Man (1079-1095) established the Tynwald, with 32 members: 16 members from Man, and 4 each from Lewis, Skye, Mull and Islay. King Godred II of Man & the Isles (1153-1158 & 1164-1187) lost control of Mull and Islay to his brother-in-law Somerled, so the Tynwald was reduced to 24 members.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jun 25, 2020 15:53:53 GMT
King Godred I of Man (1079-1095) established the Tynwald, with 32 members: 16 members from Man, and 4 each from Lewis, Skye, Mull and Islay. King Godred II of Man & the Isles (1153-1158 & 1164-1187) lost control of Mull and Islay to his brother-in-law Somerled, so the Tynwald was reduced to 24 members. Allegedly. The evidence that Tynwald was established in Godred I's reign, and that originally it contained members from the "Out Isles" is the statement that those were the facts in "King Orry's days" made to the incoming Stanleys over 300 years later, plus the assumption that "King Orry" means specifically King Godred (King Godred = Ree Goree in Gaelic = King Orry in English with characteristic Manx-English hard G at the end of words) and not eg Godred II or even just a generic reference to "back in the Viking days" or even more generic "in olden times." And there is no contemporary evidence of the composition of Tynwald before the Stanleys, when it was definitely 24 members drawn solely from Man, the 32 member Tynwald is hypothetical (though plausible enough) There's quite a nice theory that the traditional 17 Manx parishes, all but one of which (Marown) have a section of coast, were originally 16 in order to produce the 16 Manx members of a 32 man Tynwald, with Marown originally merged with Santan aka Santon (the latter spelling incidentally, which is now standard, was apparently due to an error by the Ordnance Survey) to give it a coast, and each parish also produced a boat for the fleet. Apparently most medieval Scandinavian countries had a similar system called Leidang. A definite fact is that the traditional division of the Island into Northern and Southern halves, e.g. for the two deemsters (judges) originally ran along the watershed of the hills and was therefore North-west and South-east according to the compass, Peel falling into the "north" and Laxey into the "south" until pesky Victorians got busy with their rationalism and re-allocated the sheadings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 17:40:32 GMT
Cumulative totals for parties and independents in the North East England European Parliament region during the PR era. Top 11 only, full list runs to 20 Labour | 917,887 | 30.8 | Conservative | 517,581 | 17.3 | UKIP | 435,579 | 14.59 | Liberal Democrats | 434,928 | 14.57 | Brexit | 240,056 | 8.0 | Green | 171,022 | 5.7 | BNP | 116,814 | 3.9 | N. Herron | 39,658 | 1.3 | Change UK TIG | 24,968 | 0.8 | English Democrat | 22,286 | 0.7 | Socialist Labour | 14,749 | 0.5 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2020 18:01:28 GMT
Cumulative vote totals for Yorkshire and the Humber European Parliament region in the PR era Top 13 only, final count runs to 22 Labour | 1,466,951 | 24.0 | Conservative | 1,301,632 | 21.3 | UKIP | 954,970 | 15.6 | Liberal Democrats | 794,615 | 13.0 | Green | 506,659 | 8.3 | Brexit | 470,351 | 7.7 | BNP | 275,726 | 4.5 | Yorkshire First/Party | 69,859 | 1.1 | English Democrat | 55,882 | 0.9 | Change UK TIG | 30,162 | 0.494 | Respect | 29,865 | 0.489 | Socialist Labour | 27,030 | 0.443 | An Independence from Europe | 24,297 | 0.398 |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 26, 2020 8:33:43 GMT
Voters - it seems very plausible given your absorption of Lib Dems and Greens, many of whom like to think of themselves as very left wing but are in fact just very socially liberal. But surely, the big LibDem to Labour voter movement took place *before* the 2015 GE?
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Post by iain on Jun 26, 2020 9:05:35 GMT
Voters - it seems very plausible given your absorption of Lib Dems and Greens, many of whom like to think of themselves as very left wing but are in fact just very socially liberal. But surely, the big LibDem to Labour voter movement took place *before* the 2015 GE? Yes, but you got another pretty decent chunk in 2017.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 15:48:59 GMT
Cumulative totals for parties standing in South West England European Parliament region during the PR era Top 14 only, total runs into 28. Conservative | 1,958,583 | 27.1 | UKIP | 1,317,564 | 18.2 | Liberal Democrats | 1,248,841 | 17.3 | Labour | 831,210 | 11.5 | Green | 803,441 | 11.1 | Brexit | 611,742 | 8.5 | BNP | 125,204 | 1.7 | English Democrat | 48,787 | 0.7 | Change UK TIG | 46,612 | 0.6 | Pensioners | 37,785 | 0.5 | Countryside | 30,824 | 0.4 | An Independence From Europe | 23,169 | 0.321 | Liberal | 21,645 | 0.300 | Socialist Labour | 21,329 | 0.295 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2020 16:20:53 GMT
Cumulative totals for parties in South East England European Parliament elections in the PR era Top 17 only, final tally runs to 35 Conservative | 3,234,438 | 30.2 | UKIP | 1,823,553 | 17.0 | Liberal Democrat | 1,738,437 | 16.2 | Labour | 1,121,190 | 10.5 | Green | 1,110,383 | 10.4 | Brexit | 915,686 | 8.5 | BNP | 195,716 | 1.8 | Change UK TIG | 105,832 | 1.0 | English Democrat | 99,423 | 0.9 | An Independence From Europe | 45,199 | 0.4 | Senior Citizens | 42,861 | 0.4 | Christian Party | 35,721 | 0.333 | Peace Party | 32,236 | 0.301 | Pro European Conservatives | 27,305 | 0.255 | Christian Peoples Alliance | 26,626 | 0.248 | Socialist Labour | 22,765 | 0.212 | NO2EU | 21,455 | 0.200 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 6:08:41 GMT
Cumulative totals from the North West region European Parliament elections during the PR era Top 16 only, full list runs to 31 Labour | 2,237,986 | 27.1 | Conservative | 1,775,634 | 21.5 | UKIP | 1,130,073 | 13.7 | Liberal Democrats | 1,093,072 | 13.2 | Green | 641,010 | 7.8 | Brexit | 541,843 | 6.6 | BNP | 313,566 | 3.8 | Liberal | 118,965 | 1.4 | English Democrat | 93,659 | 1.1 | Change UK TIG | 47,237 | 0.6 | Tommy Robinson | 38,908 | 0.5 | Socialist Labour | 37,562 | 0.5 | NO2EU | 28,982 | 0.4 | An Independence from Europe | 26,731 | 0.323 | Christian Party | 25,999 | 0.315 | Respect | 11,283 | 0.298 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2020 6:25:20 GMT
Cumulative totals for East Midlands European Parliament region during the PR era Top 12 only, full list runs to 25 Conservative | 1,444,707 | 25.5 | Labour | 1,152,564 | 20.4 | UKIP | 1,049,414 | 18.5 | Liberal Democrat | 690,271 | 12.2 | Brexit | 452,321 | 8.0 | Green | 391,222 | 6.9 | BNP | 225,847 | 4.0 | Change UK TIG | 41,117 | 0.7 | English Democrat | 40,110 | 0.7 | UK First | 20,561 | 0.4 | Respect | 20,009 | 0.353 | Socialist Labour | 19,118 | 0.338 |
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