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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 26, 2020 12:58:55 GMT
Castle Milk and Kirkby tended not to have too many professional/managerial types.. Tended? What has changed? It isn't 1979. There is no longer a constituency called Ormskirk which contains Kirkby nor a constituency called Glasgow Cathcart which contains Castle Milk. We are talking in the past-tense therefore I employ the past-tense Not in 1979. It was moved into Crosby in 1974.
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2020 13:15:02 GMT
I'm sure that Formby only moved into Crosby in 1983 when the Ormskirk seat was abolished
Ormskirk itself had some prosperous areas and there were some posh Lancashire plain villages in the seat, plus Rainford which is Tory in an average year.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 26, 2020 13:20:35 GMT
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Post by hullenedge on May 26, 2020 13:24:23 GMT
I'm sure that Formby only moved into Crosby in 1983 when the Ormskirk seat was abolished Ormskirk itself had some prosperous areas and there were some posh Lancashire plain villages in the seat, plus Rainford which is Tory in an average year. Definitely 1974. Boosted the Tories in Crosby and lost us Ormskirk.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 13:26:19 GMT
Tended? What has changed? It isn't 1979. There is no longer a constituency called Ormskirk which contains Kirkby nor a constituency called Glasgow Cathcart which contains Castle Milk. We are talking in the past-tense therefore I employ the past-tense Not in 1979. It was moved into Crosby in 1974. All good points. I'm still surprised about Holborn & St Pancras South being the poshest Labour seat in 1979 according to that list. I live in the area and there's a lot of social housing and surely there was even more before Right to Buy. And there must have been a fair number of students in the area even then. Still, I guess Dulwich was an even more polarised seat and less posh overall.
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Post by hullenedge on May 26, 2020 13:35:19 GMT
It isn't 1979. There is no longer a constituency called Ormskirk which contains Kirkby nor a constituency called Glasgow Cathcart which contains Castle Milk. We are talking in the past-tense therefore I employ the past-tense Not in 1979. It was moved into Crosby in 1974. All good points. I'm still surprised about Holborn & St Pancras South being the poshest Labour seat in 1979 according to that list. I live in the area and there's a massive amount of social housing and surely there was even more before Right to Buy. And there must have been a fair number of students in the area even then. Still, I guess Dulwich was an even more polarised seat and less posh overall. The census stats are fluid. What is up in 1971 could be down by 1979. You ought to download them. Lots to peruse and ponder.
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Post by maxque on May 26, 2020 16:14:39 GMT
Rainford always votes Tory doesn't it? I don't remember it ever electing Labour councillors. Perhaps in the mid 90s. I think the town of Ormskirk itself is much less Tory than it once was - a sort of Scouse effect? - though I could be wrong Rainford splitted 2 Con, 1 Lab (by 16 votes) at the first St Helens election in 1973. It also voted Labour in 1994 (by 12 votes) and 1995 (by 47 votes).
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2020 16:17:52 GMT
Rainford always votes Tory doesn't it? I don't remember it ever electing Labour councillors. Perhaps in the mid 90s. I think the town of Ormskirk itself is much less Tory than it once was - a sort of Scouse effect? - though I could be wrong Rainford splitted 2 Con, 1 Lab (by 16 votes) at the first St Helens election in 1973. It also voted Labour in 1994 (by 12 votes) and 1995 (by 47 votes). But all sorts of unlikely areas were voting Labour in those years. Rainford is a posh Tory village which would probably be much safer if it wasn't where it is geographically
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Post by Merseymike on May 26, 2020 16:20:08 GMT
Rainford always votes Tory doesn't it? I don't remember it ever electing Labour councillors. Perhaps in the mid 90s. I think the town of Ormskirk itself is much less Tory than it once was - a sort of Scouse effect? - though I could be wrong It's difficult to tell from local results as there is an independent group which have done quite well in Ormskirk at a local level. But given that Skem votes like Liverpool and the villages bar Burscough hardly have any Labour strength it's a reasonable assumption that Ormskirk has a Labour majority nationally though it's still close
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2020 21:19:37 GMT
In the USA, Ohio is usually quoted as the ultimate bellwether state. Although it has indeed only once since WWII elected the "wrong" President, in 1960, between the end of WWII until the sequence finally ended in 2008 there was one state in the union that ALWAYS voted for the winning candidate in presidential elections : Tennessee. In addition, despite huge demographic changes, Nevada has only twice since WWII voted for the "wrong" President, in 1976 and in 2016 (and in different directions). The outcome in Nevada was the closest to the national result last time.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 20:16:29 GMT
Uninteresting electoral fact: I have met both the tallest member of the House of Commons (Daniel Kawczynski) and the tallest ever US Senator (Luther Strange).
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Post by finsobruce on May 29, 2020 20:33:28 GMT
Uninteresting electoral fact: I have met both the tallest member of the House of Commons (Daniel Kawczynski) and the tallest ever US Senator (Luther Strange). Did you talk about the commanding heights of the economy?
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Post by andrewteale on May 30, 2020 7:35:08 GMT
Uninteresting electoral fact: I have met both the tallest member of the House of Commons (Daniel Kawczynski) and the tallest ever US Senator (Luther Strange). Huge if true.
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Post by Andrew_S on May 30, 2020 14:25:15 GMT
A fact I'd like to know is which election — of any type — was the first one in which women under 30 voted. It may have been a local by-election held a few days after the new law came into force in 1928 for instance.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 30, 2020 14:37:34 GMT
A fact I'd like to know is which election — of any type — was the first one in which women under 30 voted. It may have been a local by-election held a few days after the new law came into force in 1928 for instance. The 1928 law came into effect when the first electoral register was published, on 1 May 1929. So it would have to be a local election or byelection taking place between then and the general election at the end of that month.
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Post by hullenedge on May 30, 2020 15:46:19 GMT
A fact I'd like to know is which election — of any type — was the first one in which women under 30 voted. It may have been a local by-election held a few days after the new law came into force in 1928 for instance. It's not possible to provide a definite answer. A few women possessed a parliamentary vote (pre 1832). The franchise for vestry elections never excluded women. The 1869 Act granting women ratepayers the vote didn't mention a different age requirement. (The ladies turned out in droves to vote according to numerous articles on the BNA). A female ratepayer in her 20s could vote at local elections before 1918. The 1928 Act, if I recall correctly, reduced the age requirement for the wife of a male ratepayer. Remember that the local government franchise was restricted to about 75% of parliamentary voters.
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Post by finsobruce on May 30, 2020 15:54:54 GMT
A fact I'd like to know is which election — of any type — was the first one in which women under 30 voted. It may have been a local by-election held a few days after the new law came into force in 1928 for instance. The 1928 law came into effect when the first electoral register was published, on 1 May 1929. So it would have to be a local election or byelection taking place between then and the general election at the end of that month. There was a council by election in Buckingham on Thursday 23rd May 1929. Candidates were Mr W C Spatchet (florist and seedsman) against Mr G M Lines (labourer).
I'll keep looking.
EDIT:
Now found a Bury St Edmunds town council bye-election on Thursday 9th May 1929.
Charles William Chinnery (commission agent) 314
Albert Edward Cragg (insurance supervisor) 288
In his speech after the result Cragg said he was practically a stranger to the town, but he was apparently already a member of the Board of Guardians.
And a Middlesex County Council bye- election on Thursday 16th May 1929
Mr N W Tickler (Ratepayers) 1,224 Mr E B Hamlin (Labour) 1,090 Dr A H Hart (Independent) 624
Turnout was 35%. The paper noted : "It is now up to those who speculate on such problems, to speculate how, under a second ballot system, Dr Hart's 624 would have been divided".
Also now found bye elections on the 16th in Hartlepool (Park ward) and Rotherham (West ward)
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Post by Pete Whitehead on May 31, 2020 8:07:48 GMT
What division in Middlesex?
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Post by finsobruce on May 31, 2020 8:17:48 GMT
What division in Middlesex? Sorry! - It was Southall.
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Post by hullenedge on May 31, 2020 9:14:09 GMT
Median changes last year in England (Core = London & Home Counties, Semi/Intermediate = East Anglia (less Cambs), Midlands & South West (less Bournemouth), Periphery = North):-
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