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Post by batman on Nov 16, 2024 17:45:57 GMT
Beckton and Plashet wards in Newham too. Both current wards are in East Ham - pre-2002 wards were in West Ham. I don't think the two Beckton wards would even border one another. When I lived in East Ham, it was common for an area south of East Ham town centre to be known as Beckton. Yet the traditional area of Beckton is basically part of Canning Town, certainly the pre-2002 Beckton ward was close to the town centre of Canning Town. I don't know why two basically separate areas in the same borough appear to have the same name. |
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Post by sanders on Nov 16, 2024 18:03:32 GMT
Maryland is a station in Newham.
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Post by YL on Nov 16, 2024 18:19:42 GMT
Beckton and Plashet wards in Newham too. Both current wards are in East Ham - pre-2002 wards were in West Ham. I don't think the two Beckton wards would even border one another. When I lived in East Ham, it was common for an area south of East Ham town centre to be known as Beckton. Yet the traditional area of Beckton is basically part of Canning Town, certainly the pre-2002 Beckton ward was close to the town centre of Canning Town. I don't know why two basically separate areas in the same borough appear to have the same name. I am not exactly an expert on east London, but I think the explanation is that the West Ham ward was named after Beckton Road, which was the road to the Beckton in East Ham. In fact in the days when there were separate West Ham and East Ham boroughs there was a ward in West Ham called Beckton Road: see this map, which also shows the Beckton area in South ward of East Ham. It also shows Plashet ward in East Ham and Plashet Road ward in West Ham. (Looking at a modern map, Beckton Road itself seems to have been mostly obliterated by the road now called Newham Way or renamed Tollgate Road, though a small area at the western end retains the name.) |
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 17, 2024 7:56:44 GMT
Maryland is a station in Newham. Due to an early Maryland settler returning from the Americas and living in this area, rather than the other way round. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 17, 2024 10:20:46 GMT
Beckton and Plashet wards in Newham too. Both current wards are in East Ham - pre-2002 wards were in West Ham. I don't think the two Beckton wards would even border one another. When I lived in East Ham, it was common for an area south of East Ham town centre to be known as Beckton. Yet the traditional area of Beckton is basically part of Canning Town, certainly the pre-2002 Beckton ward was close to the town centre of Canning Town. I don't know why two basically separate areas in the same borough appear to have the same name. I think the opposite is true and the "traditional" Beckton is the East Ham one, taking its name from the once iconic gasworks. Though as old maps will show, not that many people lived there as much of the land was set aside for an extension of the docks that never actually materialised. And this remained the case until the current "new town" started in the 1980s. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 17, 2024 11:11:20 GMT
All these comments are correct. The wards in West Ham (carried forward to Newham) were named after Beckton Road and Plashet Road, which connect Canning Town and central West Ham respectively with the districts always known as Beckton and Plashet. Beckton was most famous for the gas works and the sewage works at the mouth of the great Northern Outfall Sewer. It wasn't residential. The new town that now carries the name was built on derelict industrial land. Plashet is what I call a "secondary" district name, but would be recognised by locals. It hasn't moved.
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 17, 2024 13:14:22 GMT
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Post by timrollpickering on Nov 17, 2024 19:44:00 GMT
I am not exactly an expert on east London, but I think the explanation is that the West Ham ward was named after Beckton Road, which was the road to the Beckton in East Ham. In fact in the days when there were separate West Ham and East Ham boroughs there was a ward in West Ham called Beckton Road: see this map, which also shows the Beckton area in South ward of East Ham. It also shows Plashet ward in East Ham and Plashet Road ward in West Ham. Got it well though if I read the map correctly Beckton Road was yet another of those wards named for a feature on its boundary. "Freemasons Road" would have been a better name. |
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Post by mrtoad on Nov 18, 2024 13:54:01 GMT
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Post by swanarcadian on Nov 18, 2024 19:44:13 GMT
I have to say I like this guy’s second preference charts.
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Post by carolus on Nov 19, 2024 9:10:02 GMT
I have to say I like this guy’s second preference charts. He shows SWP08B/H as having a very different voting pattern to the rest of the ward. Does anyone know why it might have differed so much? My initial guess was that it might be in a different Westminster constituency, but it doesn't seem to be. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 19, 2024 9:17:13 GMT
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Post by bjornhattan on Nov 19, 2024 10:18:02 GMT
The way in which polling districts were merged will have also contributed - I'd expect SWP08C to have a fairly similar pattern but it was combined with SWP08F (the much more genteel Swanston area) and thus it doesn't stand out quite as much. That said for most parties the C/F pair definitely is intermediate between the Oxgangs district and the other districts. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Nov 19, 2024 14:08:34 GMT
The way in which polling districts were merged will have also contributed - I'd expect SWP08C to have a fairly similar pattern but it was combined with SWP08F (the much more genteel Swanston area) and thus it doesn't stand out quite as much. That said for most parties the C/F pair definitely is intermediate between the Oxgangs district and the other districts. Oxgangs is much better than it used to be when the tower blocks were there, but still stands in contrast to either Colinton or Fairmilehead. I wonder if it was deliberately left out of the ward name to avoid the howls of protests from the residents of other parts of the ward. Most of what is called Swanston is the newer housing inside the bypass, which is rather different to the Swanston Village conservation area in the Pentlands which is well worth a stroll but would have a negligible number of voters overall. |
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