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Post by r34t on Jul 26, 2024 19:03:15 GMT
That is absolutely glorious. Please spend as much as you want up to the limit then put your expense claim in. Good luck with that. Candidates don’t put in an “expense claim”. They submit an expenses declaration (even if those are £0.00) I think the 'good luck with that' gives a hint about how serious the suggestion is ..... |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:04:19 GMT
Can someone please explain to me how local by-elections work? Asking for a friend. The candidate with the most votes wins Voters don’t usually vote in large numbers for booliaks All other details are bourgeois deviationism I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm no booliak. With the greatest respect, John, despite your successful namesake who I won't name in full here, your electoral record is demonstrably worse than mine I would wager. I have been elected to the Oxford Union Standing Committee twice - not easy, and it was a veritable roller coaster socially and mentally to pull it off, but, by gum, we fucking did it. I am running a serious grassroots campaign based on local issues. My qualifications are more than just being *ahem* John McDonnell's staff or whatever the heck she says she has done. I don't know who this woman is. Who is she? I am running because 1) having lived on an off in Archway/Highgate since 2020, the Archway Road Steps are a fucking state and always have been AFAIK. I am a successful small business owner, prodigious investor and a committed local resident embedded in the community to boot. My wife and I have laid down roots in this area and we mean to make them permanent, In She Allah. TL:DR: there may never been a right time for a retard to run for local election, but I believe I am doing this for all the right reasons. |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 26, 2024 19:14:54 GMT
I think we should all accept that we have been played, hope he crashes and burns in Hillrise and rue the fact that there are no deposits in local elections.
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Post by johnloony on Jul 26, 2024 19:15:59 GMT
Election leaflets are not "expensed to the taxpayer". I suggest you do some basic research before standing for election. I am learning on the job. Any and all (constructive) criticism welcome. The process of learning how to be a candidate in a local election (even if you are learning on your own, as you go along, as I did (when I was younger than you are now)) should include the most basic information about what “expenses” means, long before you get to the stage of delivering leaflets. It should have been included in the information pack which you got from the council / Returning Officer when you got your nomination papers and electoral register. The basic rule is that you should make a list of all the costs and expenses you incur in doing your campaigning. For normal candidates, that would include printing costs. For you it would mean a reasonable estimate of the cost of the paper you have used to scribble on (e.g.you have used 100 sheets of A4 paper; 500 sheets cost £x, so just declare x/5) |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 26, 2024 19:22:48 GMT
& also indicates a distinct lack of competence I'm afraid. No, no and no again. Professional leaflets cost money and may well be expensed be expensed to the taxpayer. Given that there was already a by-election here in May, I cannot in good conscience spend any more taxpayers' money than is absolutely necessary on this contest. 'Competence' and 'professionalism' obsessives be damned. What on Earth possesses you to think that you are spending any taxpayers’ money on your election campaign? Have any “taxpayers” given you money for it? If so, put that in your declaration. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:27:04 GMT
No, no and no again. Professional leaflets cost money and may well be expensed be expensed to the taxpayer. Given that there was already a by-election here in May, I cannot in good conscience spend any more taxpayers' money than is absolutely necessary on this contest. 'Competence' and 'professionalism' obsessives be damned. What on Earth possesses you to think that you are spending any taxpayers’ money on your election campaign? Have any “taxpayers” given you money for it? If so, put that in your declaration. They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question. I don't want to cost anyone anything since they already had a Hillrise by-election in May. I am a slow learner on account of the diminished processing speeds that are part and parcel of being a complete retard. I'm sorry. It was the same with the Oxford Union where I fudged the first campaign for the Standing Committee (governing body) in March 2018 by six votes. I had no fucking clue what I was doing, but I got bumped up when the Secretary resigned and I became the seventh elected member and to add to that, I won the seat outright in the June 2018 election by less than one vote after second preferences under STV. Did I lose Secretary in November? Yeah I did, but I got 255 votes, 18% of the vote after RON got eliminated single-handedly. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:32:57 GMT
What on Earth possesses you to think that you are spending any taxpayers’ money on your election campaign? Have any “taxpayers” given you money for it? If so, put that in your declaration. They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question. I don't want to cost anyone anything since they already had a Hillrise by-election in May. I am a slow learner on account of the diminished processing speeds that are part and parcel of being a complete retard. No it isn't. Setting aside your use of the word "retard" does it not enter your mind to check such matters before embarking on a candidature? |
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Post by ColinJ on Jul 26, 2024 19:34:14 GMT
That is absolutely glorious. Please spend as much as you want up to the limit then put your expense claim in. Good luck with that. Can someone please explain to me how local by-elections work? Asking for a friend. I must admit I am very surprised that you know so little about the mechanics of elections. Daily during the General Election period you readily expressed your opinions about which party was likely to win which seat, and you were confident enough to visit the bookmakers. Also, you follow the politics of the United States of America and have posted many times on this subject under your former usernames. And yet..... at the same time you appear to be a babe in the wood when it comes to the practicalities. For example, in one of your recent posts you imply that you could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day. Even though I am several decades older than you, I reckon 300 to 400 is a practical daily limit for anyone. Another example of your naivety is your handwritten leaflets. They are leaving forum members of all parties somewhat aghast: they will be hitting recycling bins faster than a properly presented, neatly printed leaflet of policies with a candidate biography. I assume you are acting as your own Election Agent, so your lack of knowledge about submitting an election expense return is frightening. Your own politics remain relatively opaque to the forum. You have a clear distaste for the Labour Party. But what else? You enjoy ramping the chances of the Green Party to win various inner London local by-elections, but, at the same time, oppose Green Party candidates by your support of Feinstein in Holborn & St Pancras and by your own candidature in Hillrise. (Incidentally, just "asking for a friend", but what was your qualification for being accepted by the Returning Officer as a candidate?) My advice would be to think about your politics and what sort of country and world you want yourself, your family and your descendants (and indeed the whole of humanity) to live in. Study the programmes and policies of the main political parties to see who comes closest to your views and how practical their programmes are (you may need to accept a few compromises). Join that party. Learn how to act cooperatively with your fellow members in election campaigns. You will realise that some track record of activism and being a reliable member over several years is generally required before you might be ready to become a candidate for the party. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:34:33 GMT
They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question. I don't want to cost anyone anything since they already had a Hillrise by-election in May. I am a slow learner on account of the diminished processing speeds that are part and parcel of being a complete retard. No it isn't. Setting aside your use of the word "retard" does it not enter your mind to check such matters before embarking on a candidature? No, I'm afraid that it didn't. I just asked my Cllr friend. He told me about imprints etc. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:38:16 GMT
Can someone please explain to me how local by-elections work? Asking for a friend. I must admit I am very surprised that you know so little about the mechanics of elections. Daily during the General Election period you readily expressed your opinions about which party was likely to win which seat, and you were confident enough to visit the bookmakers. Also, you follow the politics of the United States of America and have posted many times on this subject under your former usernames. And yet..... at the same time you appear to be a babe in the wood when it comes to the practicalities. For example, in one of your recent posts you imply that you could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day. Even though I am several decades older than you, I reckon 300 to 400 is a practical daily limit for anyone. Another example of your naivety is your handwritten leaflets. They are leaving forum members of all parties somewhat aghast: they will be hitting recycling bins faster than a properly presented, neatly printed leaflet of policies with a candidate biography. I assume you are acting as your own Election Agent, so your lack of knowledge about submitting an election expense return is frightening. Your own politics remain relatively opaque to the forum. You have a clear distaste for the Labour Party. But what else? You enjoy ramping the chances of the Green Party to win various inner London local by-elections, but, at the same time, oppose Green Party candidates by your support of Feinstein in Holborn & St Pancras and by your own candidature in Hillrise. (Incidentally, just "asking for a friend", but what was your qualification for being accepted by the Returning Officer as a candidate?) My advice would be to think about your politics and what sort of country and world you want yourself, your family and your descendants (and indeed the whole of humanity) to live in. Study the programmes and policies of the main political parties to see who comes closest to your views and how practical their programmes are (you may need to accept a few compromises). Join that party. Learn how to act cooperatively with your fellow members in election campaigns. You will realise that some track record of activism and being a reliable member over several years is generally required before you might be ready to become a candidate for the party. It's pragmatism. I backed the Greens in Hackney because they were the best progressive pick. Cf Andrew Feinstein. I'm not a creature of the political party and nor do I wish the political party to be a plaything of mine. I'm sorry you are sceptical - I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, done anything wrong and I'm asking experienced people things to help buoy my campaign's credibility. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:38:35 GMT
Delivering 1,000 leaflets would take at least 6 hours, and more likely 10. How much does it take to write out each one? A third of those are photocopied - someone recommended it. I did it, but I don't like the machines. They sound like a ghost is locked inside or the devil himself. I have been burning the midnight oil to handwrite around 700 of them and counting. I believe we are competitive and I welcome the forum's support and or constructive commentary. ? |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:39:51 GMT
I am learning on the job. Any and all (constructive) criticism welcome. Well, I recommend you submit at least the cost of the reams of paper you are using. And evidencing it with a receipt from W.H.Smith would be expected too. And the pens ... |
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Post by johnloony on Jul 26, 2024 19:41:59 GMT
What on Earth possesses you to think that you are spending any taxpayers’ money on your election campaign? Have any “taxpayers” given you money for it? If so, put that in your declaration. They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question…. No The taxpayer pays for the ballot papers to be printed and for those papers to be counted and that sort of stuff. Any campaigning that you do, any printing of leaflets, any paper you buy for writing letters, is paid for by you or your agent or your party or you large network of millionaire donors You have to declare how much all of that expenditure is (i.e. you have to make a list of it all) but that doesn’t mean that you are “claiming” any money from anybody else. You should have known all of this before you submitted your nomination papers. It should have all been explained in the information pack which you got from the council. |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:42:08 GMT
Well, I recommend you submit at least the cost of the reams of paper you are using. And evidencing it with a receipt from W.H.Smith would be expected too. And the pens ... We have owned the pens for years and the paper is our own or gifted. Please advise. The notepads were lying around from 2020 or before. What should I say? |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:42:32 GMT
They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question…. No The taxpayer pays for the ballot papers to be printed and for those papers to be counted and that sort of stuff. Any campaigning that you do, any printing of leaflets, any paper you buy for writing letters, is paid for by you or your agent or your party or you large network of millionaire donors You have to declare how much all of that expenditure is (i.e. you have to make a list of it all) but that doesn’t mean that you are “claiming” any money from anybody else. You should have known all of this before you submitted your nomination papers. It should have all been explained in the information pack which you got from the council. I should know lots of things. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jul 26, 2024 19:44:15 GMT
As we are highly unlikely to ever see an uncontested principle council by-election again, costs to the tax payer (of organising the poll) are a given, regardless of how many candidates stand (and how hard each campaigns).
The cost to the tax payer of the election will be on postage of PV, printing of ballots, hire of polling stations and paying of polling clerks and counters etc.
The reason why there is a cost to the tax payer is because a councillor quit, died or found themselves disqualified and the event that causes a cost to the taxpayer is made long before anyone starts campaigning.
Last year you mentioned donating to the Greens in the Hackney Mayoral by election, so you clearly knew that parties need to fundraise to campaign.
You also say you’re learning on the job, yet you’ve campaigned for the Conservatives in the Whitny by-election and earlier this month for Andrew Feinstein. You might be a fool, but you are not a novice.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:46:26 GMT
I must admit I am very surprised that you know so little about the mechanics of elections. Daily during the General Election period you readily expressed your opinions about which party was likely to win which seat, and you were confident enough to visit the bookmakers. Also, you follow the politics of the United States of America and have posted many times on this subject under your former usernames. And yet..... at the same time you appear to be a babe in the wood when it comes to the practicalities. For example, in one of your recent posts you imply that you could deliver 1000 leaflets in a day. Even though I am several decades older than you, I reckon 300 to 400 is a practical daily limit for anyone. Another example of your naivety is your handwritten leaflets. They are leaving forum members of all parties somewhat aghast: they will be hitting recycling bins faster than a properly presented, neatly printed leaflet of policies with a candidate biography. I assume you are acting as your own Election Agent, so your lack of knowledge about submitting an election expense return is frightening. Your own politics remain relatively opaque to the forum. You have a clear distaste for the Labour Party. But what else? You enjoy ramping the chances of the Green Party to win various inner London local by-elections, but, at the same time, oppose Green Party candidates by your support of Feinstein in Holborn & St Pancras and by your own candidature in Hillrise. (Incidentally, just "asking for a friend", but what was your qualification for being accepted by the Returning Officer as a candidate?) My advice would be to think about your politics and what sort of country and world you want yourself, your family and your descendants (and indeed the whole of humanity) to live in. Study the programmes and policies of the main political parties to see who comes closest to your views and how practical their programmes are (you may need to accept a few compromises). Join that party. Learn how to act cooperatively with your fellow members in election campaigns. You will realise that some track record of activism and being a reliable member over several years is generally required before you might be ready to become a candidate for the party. It's pragmatism. I backed the Greens in Hackney because they were the best progressive pick. Cf Andrew Feinstein. I'm not a creature of the political party and nor do I wish the political party to be a plaything of mine. I'm sorry you are sceptical - I haven't, to the best of my knowledge, done anything wrong and I'm asking experienced people things to help buoy my campaign's credibility. You are, however, running the risk of doing things wrong to the extent of breaking election law. You need to ponder your campaign's legality before its credibility. And this Forum is not designed to be a nursemaid to your behaviour. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:48:19 GMT
They haven't, but isn't expensed stuff covered by the taxpayer? Genuine question…. No The taxpayer pays for the ballot papers to be printed and for those papers to be counted and that sort of stuff. Any campaigning that you do, any printing of leaflets, any paper you buy for writing letters, is paid for by you or your agent or your party or you large network of millionaire donors You have to declare how much all of that expenditure is (i.e. you have to make a list of it all) but that doesn’t mean that you are “claiming” any money from anybody else. You should have known all of this before you submitted your nomination papers. It should have all been explained in the information pack which you got from the council. To be fair, he won't be the first candidate to think that the "Return of Election Expenses" is a refund. I've had candidates say it to me. (But not in elections to London Boroughs.) |
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Post by sanders on Jul 26, 2024 19:48:27 GMT
As we are highly unlikely to ever see an uncontested principle council by-election again, costs to the tax payer (of organising the poll) are a given, regardless of how many candidates stand (and how hard each campaigns). The cost to the tax payer of the election will be on postage of PV, printing of ballots, hire of polling stations and paying of polling clerks and counters etc. The reason why there is a cost to the tax payer is because a councillor quit, died or found themselves disqualified and the event that causes a cost to the taxpayer is made long before anyone starts campaigning. Last year you mentioned donating to the Greens in the Hackney Mayoral by election, so you clearly knew that parties need to fundraise to campaign. You also say you’re learning on the job, yet you’ve campaigned for the Conservatives in the Whitny by-election and earlier this month for Andrew Feinstein. You might be a fool, but you are not a novice. Ok, but delivering leaflets for Robert Courts at 19 isn't the same as being a candidate is it? I donated to the Greens in lieu of doing any actual work. They still lost. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jul 26, 2024 19:52:21 GMT
We have owned the pens for years and the paper is our own or gifted. Please advise. The notepads were lying around from 2020 or before. What should I say? The value needs to be declared (there are exceptions for minor incidental expenses e.g. pens used by tellers) but if you are handwriting hundreds of leaflets then I would consider the pens to be the equivalent to ink cartridges used in printers. Not that it really matters. Unless you win. If you do win you may need a solicitor with knowledge of election law. They don't come cheap. |
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