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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 13:44:03 GMT
The Islington result suggests that a Corbyn endorsement isn’t a coupon securing success and that he’ll trundle along getting older (79 or 80 at the next election ) without having a much wider impact? He’ll be free to get into the things that interest him and will, no doubt, find allies on some of those. A bit like much of his time before he became leader - mostly ignored but he did his thing. The track record on Independent MPs in modern times is admittedly limited but in general they've not been very good at passing on their support to other independent candidates. Instead they seem to need some sort of party for their followers to have any success. Some of that may be communication but some of it may be that some voters will only consider an Independent candidate in a protest about the selection and not take that protest to other levels.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 13:45:28 GMT
Is that a conclusion from just this result, or from all 3 of yesterday's byelections ? I'd suggest that 24% in this particular constituency with it's recent electoral history doesn't prove anything significant I'm afraid. It certainly doesn't prove that those 24% were more working-class than the 76% of voters who chose a different candidate. Most of my voters were middle-class. Generally middle aged white women IIRC. Most of it was Hornsey Lane. Stoecker did best on the seats.
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 16, 2024 13:48:23 GMT
Yes and I reported missed recycling bin collections a week ago and nothing's been done (and one of the neighbour's bins are disappearing beneath the refuse and recycling piling up). The internet is not the solution to everything. Why do I nominate in person? That could surely be done online. It seems anti-democratic, for goodness sake. Well it proves that the agent at least exists and isn't some AI creation. It also means the signatures can be checked in person. It also avoids the mess of disputes over whether forms were submitted or not if it's done in person. The candidate doesn't have to attend nomination submission. Of the 50 odd candidates I've agented only about seven have attended submission, mainly Westminster and London Assembly candidates (plus one of the seven was when I was my own agent).
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 13:59:05 GMT
Proper leaflets and canvassing people, eh? I might have to try those.
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Post by john07 on Aug 16, 2024 14:03:39 GMT
STIRLING Dunblane and Bridge of Allan Stuart McLuckie (Scottish Conservative and Unionist) 1,143 David Wilson (Scottish Labour Party) 952 John Watson (Scottish National Party (SNP)) 770 Andrew Adam (Scottish Greens) 659 Dick Moerman (Scottish Liberal Democrats) 345 Alastair George Majury (Independent) 225 E. 12,057; quota 2,048 David Wilson elected at stage 6 Conservatives with by far the more popular candidate here. Labour however manage to pick up the dregs and crawl over the line. Desperate stuff. But, such is STV. But the by-election was not using STV, it utilised AV. STV can only be used in a multi-member election. So unless there were two simultaneous vacancies, any by-election could not use STV. STV allows for proportionally and preferential voting. AV retains the preferential features but not the proportionality. You certainly cannot compare a by-election under AV with one using FPTP as in the latter case the votes cast could be very different. For example many of those who voted Green under AV could well have opted for SNP or Labour. Similarly other votes for Indies or Lib Dems might have gone elsewhere in FPTP.
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Post by swanarcadian on Aug 16, 2024 14:04:23 GMT
I can never understand why they always have to show the votes to five decimal places even when they’re all zeros.
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Post by sanders on Aug 16, 2024 14:08:16 GMT
I can never understand why they always have to show the votes to five decimal places even when they’re all zeros. It's Dun, blane; just leave it.
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Post by Penddu on Aug 16, 2024 14:11:10 GMT
Caerphilly, Aberbargoed and Bargoed Lab 354 PC 353 Green 59 Ouch. I hope they counted the votes very caerphilly. The results were known last night but were embargoed....
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Post by Sibboleth on Aug 16, 2024 14:21:17 GMT
Some interesting cross-currents going on in that contest, so it feels 'right' that it had a striking outcome.
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 16, 2024 14:29:50 GMT
No thanks - leave it in London please... oh i dont know something has to replace Liz Truss not until the natural end of her wretched life
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Post by edgbaston on Aug 16, 2024 14:31:48 GMT
Ouch. I hope they counted the votes very caerphilly. The results were known last night but were embargoed.... How can the results be embargoed? The agents told but no formal declaration made? Or the declaration made but then all present warned to stay quiet? If the latter how can that be a proper declaration?
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Aug 16, 2024 14:33:53 GMT
We have a broken record 🙄 You know it's bad when dok seems the sensible one, and is able to unironically say something like this.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 16, 2024 14:43:48 GMT
when dok seems the sensible one.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 14:48:15 GMT
The results were known last night but were embargoed.... How can the results be embargoed? The agents told but no formal declaration made? Or the declaration made but then all present warned to stay quiet? If the latter how can that be a proper declaration? I think it was a joke about the ward name
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 14:49:48 GMT
I can never understand why they always have to show the votes to five decimal places even when they’re all zeros. Because it’s done by a computer not a human
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Post by john07 on Aug 16, 2024 15:01:10 GMT
I can never understand why they always have to show the votes to five decimal places even when they’re all zeros. Because it’s done by a computer not a human But the computer is programmed by a human and could easily have been set up to present results formatted in a sensible way. A lot of computer programmers are highly intelligent morons.
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Post by Ports on Aug 16, 2024 15:05:20 GMT
Because it’s done by a computer not a human But the computer is programmed by a human and could easily have been set up to present results formatted in a sensible way. A lot of computer programmers are highly intelligent morons. My father always told me about those he worked with at his office in the computer department - he or someone else would set them a task that nobody in the 'traditional' bits of the business could do and they would come back having done it, but usually would also come back with an enquiry for him along the lines of 'how do I post a letter' or 'could you help me purchase a train ticket'.
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Post by Tony Otim on Aug 16, 2024 15:05:42 GMT
Proper leaflets and canvassing people, eh? I might have to try those. I think a good place to start is to ask yourself why, despite actively campaigning, your sense of what was happening in the ward was so far out from the actual result? You can have an active campaign and a poor result. Sometimes circumstances just lead that way, but you should at least be picking up some sense of which way the wine's blowing...
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Post by r34t on Aug 16, 2024 15:06:09 GMT
We are getting close to page 54 & then page 55. Is there going to be an official ceremony or something ?
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Post by johnloony on Aug 16, 2024 15:06:17 GMT
Because it’s done by a computer not a human But the computer is programmed by a human and could easily have been set up to present results formatted in a sensible way. A lot of computer programmers are highly intelligent morons. The computer could have been programmed to stop at the correct 5th stage, and not go on to the illogical incorrect pointless 6th stage.
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