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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2024 17:17:32 GMT
Labour's win in Olney last year seems all the more impressive, especially as the Tories won fairly straightforwardly this year. What the hell happened in 2023? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2024 11:50:05 GMT
One can see where Tory support came from in Holborn & St Pancras South (partially) in their 1959 victory - Regents Park, King's Cross and bits of Fitzrovia and Bloomsbury.
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Post by batman on Sept 5, 2024 12:09:50 GMT
At that time Highgate (or rather that part of it which is now in Camden) was in the Borough of St Pancras & was in the St Pancras North constituency, although it was not socially typical of the borough at all. Holborn was a very small borough.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2024 12:19:52 GMT
At that time Highgate (or rather that part of it which is now in Camden) was in the Borough of St Pancras & was in the St Pancras North constituency, although it was not socially typical of the borough at all. Holborn was a very small borough. There's a lot of Kentish Town in that ward on the map. The modern iteration of Highgate was Tory for a decade, but last elected 3/3 Tories in 1978. Highgate New Town (council) helped Labour, I think. A lot of that ward borders Islington and feels as run down as Archway's estates. It also votes like Islington locally - Green strength but generally Labour, not much like Hampstead Town or Frognal or the Highgate ward I live in in Haringey nowadays. 1964 it was very different I think. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 5, 2024 12:30:07 GMT
 | | Lab | Con | Grn | LD | Ref | Ind | Oth | | | | | | | | | | | | | Northavon | 24.7% | 29.9% | 5.6% | 25.7% | 14.1% |
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| | | Kingswood | 45.3% | 25.7% | 8.1% | 5.2% | 14.6% | 0.5% | 0.6% | |
| | | | | | | | | | South Gloucestershire | 32.3% | 28.3% | 6.6% | 18.1% | 14.3% | 0.2% | 0.2% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Bristol | 42.6% | 11.1% | 31.3% | 5.7% | 7.4% | 1.2% | 0.7% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Bath | 18.3% | 15.5% | 12.6% | 41.5% | 7.6% | 4.0% | 0.5% | | | Wansdyke | 30.4% | 27.2% | 7.1% | 20.2% | 13.5% | 1.3% | 0.3% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Bath & NE Somerset | 24.9% | 21.8% | 9.6% | 29.9% | 10.8% | 2.6% | 0.4% | |
| | | | | | | | | | North Somerset | 33.0% | 30.7% | 6.1% | 15.8% | 13.7% | 0.6% | 0.1% | |
| | | | | | | | | | Avon | 34.9% | 21.4% | 16.0% | 15.2% | 11.0% | 1.0% | 0.4% | |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 5, 2024 12:36:10 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 5, 2024 12:57:16 GMT
What is happening with Slough on the 1997 Bucks maps?
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 5, 2024 12:59:30 GMT
What is happening with Slough on the 1997 Bucks maps? Ignore Slough It's because I used the same map for elections from 1974. It should have been removed obviously from 1983 onwards |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2024 16:14:02 GMT
Bristol East could go Green sometime. They did very well there really. It's not exactly surprising of course. The seat isn't totally unlike Central. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Sept 5, 2024 20:27:19 GMT
What is happening with Slough on the 1997 Bucks maps? Ignore Slough It's because I used the same map for elections from 1974. It should have been removed obviously from 1983 onwards Ignore Slough is great advice, generally |
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Post by Foggy on Sept 5, 2024 22:31:44 GMT
That strange pocket of strength in just four wards of North Somerset should serve as a reminder to the Boundary Commission that there was absolutely no need to draw "Wells and Mendip Hills" in the way they did. Last month I spent a day in the constituency and was quite some distance clear of the Mendips! |
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Post by nyx on Sept 5, 2024 23:15:34 GMT
That strange pocket of strength in just four wards of North Somerset should serve as a reminder to the Boundary Commission that there was absolutely no need to draw "Wells and Mendip Hills" in the way they did. Last month I spent a day in the constituency and was quite some distance clear of the Mendips! North Somerset had an electorate too big for two constituencies so part of it had to be separated off, so there weren't many options. I think the most reasonable alternative there would have been would be separating off Portishead to go into Bristol NW, with the result being two constituencies for North Somerset minus Portishead, five for Bristol plus Portishead, three for South Gloucestershire, two for North East Somerset, and six for the rest of Somerset (plus Tiverton). Possible, would have involved less change to existing constituencies than the map we ended up with, but would also have meant more ward splits. |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Sept 6, 2024 11:16:21 GMT
That strange pocket of strength in just four wards of North Somerset should serve as a reminder to the Boundary Commission that there was absolutely no need to draw "Wells and Mendip Hills" in the way they did. Last month I spent a day in the constituency and was quite some distance clear of the Mendips! North Somerset had an electorate too big for two constituencies so part of it had to be separated off, so there weren't many options. I think the most reasonable alternative there would have been would be separating off Portishead to go into Bristol NW, with the result being two constituencies for North Somerset minus Portishead, five for Bristol plus Portishead, three for South Gloucestershire, two for North East Somerset, and six for the rest of Somerset (plus Tiverton). Possible, would have involved less change to existing constituencies than the map we ended up with, but would also have meant more ward splits. Except that, unless there are some ferry services I don't know about (nor can I see that they would be profitable), there is literally no link across the Avon except for the M5 between Bristol NW and the Portishead area - the next ones upstream are the Clifton Suspension Bridge (light traffic only), into Bristol Central, and the A370, coming into Bristol from Weston through Bristol South. If your suggestion was the best available alternative, I can't currently see anything better except for the one which the BCE actually chose. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 6, 2024 11:38:10 GMT
Yes if that is the best alternative I'd hate to see the worst. This is in fact the best alternative Alternatively  The problem of the excess electorate in North Somerset is exacerbated by adding wards from South Gloucestershire to the NE Somerset seat. Without that it would only be necessary to detach the four ward in the Norton Radstock 'conurbation' to join Somerset. This in turn is a consequence of the unnecessary crossing of the boundary between Wiltshire and Gloucestershire, when a couple of judicious ward splits in Wiltshire could have maintained the existing seats virtually intact. Probably best not to go too far wiht this discussioj on this thread as there are other, dedicated threads. Without doubt though the South West overall was the most botched region in the boundary review. |
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Post by rogerg on Sept 6, 2024 21:43:59 GMT
But the BCE would inevitably have named your Chew Valley seat: "North Somerset South East and North East Somerset Central and West".
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Post by Chris from Brum on Sept 7, 2024 7:53:15 GMT
But the BCE would inevitably have named your Chew Valley seat: "North Somerset South East and North East Somerset Central and West". Well, you can't name a constituency after a reservoir. |
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Post by johnloony on Sept 7, 2024 10:01:45 GMT
But the BCE would inevitably have named your Chew Valley seat: "North Somerset South East and North East Somerset Central and West". Well, you can't name a constituency after a reservoir. I can’t, but the Boundary Commission can. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2024 10:04:23 GMT
But the BCE would inevitably have named your Chew Valley seat: "North Somerset South East and North East Somerset Central and West". Well, you can't name a constituency after a reservoir. There are several seats sharing names with reservoirs. There's a Banbury reservoir in Waltham Forest and a Banbury constituency. If we can name seats after buildings, Brighton, Pavilion and previously Westminster Abbey or Westminster, St George's or St George's Hanover Square, we can name seats after lakes and reservoirs and rivers. Heck, one creative person did this in the USA, referring to Oregon's 5th Congressional District as Lake Oswego and Bend! |
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 7, 2024 10:20:45 GMT
I think the earlier poster wasn't being totally serious tbh - not least because Chew Valley was a, you know, valley long before it was a reservoir.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2024 10:27:38 GMT
I think the earlier poster wasn't being totally serious tbh - not least because Chew Valley was a, you know, valley long before it was a reservoir. I like naming stuff after rivers, lakes and reservoirs. For example, D.C. statehood should be given the name Potomac as a state, since that's the river Washington D.C. sits on. We won't have many new seats named after reservoirs, because we don't build any and haven't done so since 1991. I heard we might build one near Abingdon. |
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