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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 13, 2024 11:48:24 GMT
Well, there is an election on  And you do know who the incumbent MP is. Though it is also the case that Labour last won a seat on Uttlesford district in 1999, so whilst I suspected they've won TC seats since then I wasn't totally sure of it. Oh yes I can well imagine. We all remember the times when Labour had 'shock' wins in Chipping Norton in "David Camneron's backyard!!!". Is the ill-informed sensationalism of the random Twitter types really much worthy of comment though? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 13, 2024 11:49:09 GMT
1999 isn't a long time ago btw
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 13, 2024 11:52:28 GMT
Objectively speaking, it is a quarter of a century. Now if you mean it doesn't *seem* that long ago, then I totally agree.
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Post by ColinJ on Jun 13, 2024 15:08:46 GMT
Yesterday's vacancy on Saffron Walden TC was a Labour win, it is getting quite a lot of coverage on social media. In the good old days of Stanley and Kitty Wilson, Castle ward was generally one of the better areas for Labour in the town. I have recorded some of the inter-war results in the town (unwarded during this period) on the other forum at: oldukcouncils.freeforums.net/thread/447/saffron-walden |
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Post by carolus on Jun 13, 2024 15:15:49 GMT
The actual result:
Uttlesford, Saffron Walden, Castle & Little Walden. Lab 515, R4U 259, Independent - Saffron Walden First 186, Con 145, LD 66.
Labour gain from R4U.
2023 result: R4U 1102*/985*/981*/925*/911*, Green 270/193, Lab 259, [] 158/72
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Post by carolus on Jun 14, 2024 13:32:53 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 14:07:57 GMT
This is the only example I am aware of, of an election neing abandoned due to emergency, force majeure, disaster, riot, whatever (I forget what the legal terminology is, bit I am aware of it being a thing which can happen in theory). |
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Post by carolus on Jun 14, 2024 14:17:18 GMT
This is the only example I am aware of, of an election neing abandoned due to emergency, force majeure, disaster, riot, whatever (I forget what the legal terminology is, bit I am aware of it being a thing which can happen in theory). Yes, I had meant to ask whether anyone knew of any other examples - you'd have thought with the volume of elections we would see this from time to time. There were a couple of parish wards in Epping Forest in May where the council declared the election invalid, but I'm not sure whether the technical mechanism was abandoning the poll or voiding the result somehow (or indeed making it up!). But in any case that was due to an administrative error rather than difficulty conducting the poll itself. Perhaps one of our Wakefield correspondents ( markgoodair, ArmchairCritic, thejedi, Ron Swanson) might know more about what happened here? |
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 14, 2024 14:34:50 GMT
This is the only example I am aware of, of an election neing abandoned due to emergency, force majeure, disaster, riot, whatever (I forget what the legal terminology is, bit I am aware of it being a thing which can happen in theory). Surely it was by reason of the one you omitted?~ 'Civil commotion'? |
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 14, 2024 14:39:25 GMT
This is the only example I am aware of, of an election neing abandoned due to emergency, force majeure, disaster, riot, whatever (I forget what the legal terminology is, bit I am aware of it being a thing which can happen in theory). Yes, I had meant to ask whether anyone knew of any other examples - you'd have thought with the volume of elections we would see this from time to time. There were a couple of parish wards in Epping Forest in May where the council declared the election invalid, but I'm not sure whether the technical mechanism was abandoning the poll or voiding the result somehow (or indeed making it up!). But in any case that was due to an administrative error rather than difficulty conducting the poll itself. Perhaps one of our Wakefield correspondents ( markgoodair, ArmchairCritic, thejedi, Ron Swanson) might know more about what happened here? Ackworth has been described as the biggest village in England a very middle class area with the famous Independent Quaker Boarding School located there. Ex pupils include Rosie Winterton former Labour MP for Doncaster Central . It's certainly the last place in the district where I would expect this to happen . |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 14, 2024 14:51:30 GMT
Have any elections ever been called off on the day due to adverse weather conditions?
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Post by johnloony on Jun 14, 2024 16:50:30 GMT
This is the only example I am aware of, of an election neing abandoned due to emergency, force majeure, disaster, riot, whatever (I forget what the legal terminology is, bit I am aware of it being a thing which can happen in theory). Yes, I had meant to ask whether anyone knew of any other examples - you'd have thought with the volume of elections we would see this from time to time. There were a couple of parish wards in Epping Forest in May where the council declared the election invalid, but I'm not sure whether the technical mechanism was abandoning the poll or voiding the result somehow (or indeed making it up!). But in any case that was due to an administrative error rather than difficulty conducting the poll itself. Perhaps one of our Wakefield correspondents ( markgoodair, ArmchairCritic, thejedi, Ron Swanson) might know more about what happened here? I think we had a conversation about this subject a few years ago, and our resident expert Davıd Boothroyd didn’t know of any real-life examples of it actually happening - unless I have misunderrememberated. |
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 14, 2024 17:10:12 GMT
Have any elections ever been called off on the day due to adverse weather conditions? Davıd Boothroyd is the oracle here of course, but I think that General Elections can't be cancelled without an Act Of Parliament.
The Returning Officer in local elections would presumably have to make this decision, but I can't at the moment find any record of a local election being cancelled due to weather, which is perhaps surprising.I'll keep looking.
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 17:18:01 GMT
Have any elections ever been called off on the day due to adverse weather conditions? Davıd Boothroyd is the oracle here of course, but I think that General Elections can't be cancelled without an Act Of Parliament. The Returning Officer in local elections would presumably have to make this decision, but I can't at the moment find any record of a local election being cancelled due to weather, which is perhaps surprising.I'll keep looking.
Somewhat off tangent but didn't David Waddington, as GG, use powers vested to him (poss related to a ROPA) in order to delay the Bermuda 1995 Independence Referendum for a day because of a hurricane? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jun 14, 2024 17:37:14 GMT
This is a very theoretical area of law.
There is a provision in law - Rule 42 of the Parliamentary Elections Rules - which allows the Presiding Officer to adjourn a poll in the event that "the proceedings at any polling station are interrupted or obstructed by riot or open violence". If this happens the poll is adjourned to the following day, using the same hours.
There is no equivalent provision in respect of weather or any other circumstance. Obviously there is no way to get an Act of Parliament to intervene, because there isn't a Parliament. I think, though, that the Privy Council would have the power to alter the date of meeting of the new Parliament and therefore could alter polling day: it is the Privy Council which formally dissolves one Parliament and summons the new one. Meetings of the Privy Council can be organised very quickly.
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Post by stodge on Jun 14, 2024 18:03:55 GMT
There was an overnight deluge in parts of London on the day of the EU Referendum and I recall polling stations having to be re-located owing to the original sites being inaccessible.
Perhaps someone can confirm but presumbly local authorities maintain a list of "emergency" polling stations which could be used if the original site became unavailable.
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Post by carolus on Jun 14, 2024 19:22:02 GMT
There was an overnight deluge in parts of London on the day of the EU Referendum and I recall polling stations having to be re-located owing to the original sites being inaccessible. Perhaps someone can confirm but presumbly local authorities maintain a list of "emergency" polling stations which could be used if the original site became unavailable. We fairly frequently see "polling station in the back of a car" and similar, when for whatever reason the intended site is inaccessible. |
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Post by hullenedge on Jun 14, 2024 19:56:41 GMT
Located the article about the Bermuda referendum (S Tel, 20 Aug 1995) which implies that British legislation was used to postpone the poll for one day because of an 'Act Of God'. Lord Waddington's ruling was challenged but he was proved correct in law.   |
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Post by sonofkrautrock on Jun 14, 2024 21:04:53 GMT
Yes, I had meant to ask whether anyone knew of any other examples - you'd have thought with the volume of elections we would see this from time to time. There were a couple of parish wards in Epping Forest in May where the council declared the election invalid, but I'm not sure whether the technical mechanism was abandoning the poll or voiding the result somehow (or indeed making it up!). But in any case that was due to an administrative error rather than difficulty conducting the poll itself. Perhaps one of our Wakefield correspondents ( markgoodair , ArmchairCritic , thejedi , Ron Swanson ) might know more about what happened here? Ackworth has been described as the biggest village in England a very middle class area with the famous Independent Quaker Boarding School located there. Ex pupils include Rosie Winterton former Labour MP for Doncaster Central . It's certainly the last place in the district where I would expect this to happen . Kidlington would disagree. |
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Post by mattb on Jun 14, 2024 21:08:31 GMT
Ackworth has been described as the biggest village in England a very middle class area with the famous Independent Quaker Boarding School located there. Ex pupils include Rosie Winterton former Labour MP for Doncaster Central . It's certainly the last place in the district where I would expect this to happen . Kidlington would disagree. Kidlington is a suburb. (sorry) |
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