Bristol North West

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Bristol North West

[markgoodair]

Mary Page is the Green Party candidate.

[WestCountryRadical]

SOPN

Caroline Gooch (LD)
Darren Jones (Lab)
Scarlett O'Connor (Ref)
Mary Page (Grn)
Laura Saunders (Con)
Ben Smith (SDP)

[right]

[markgoodair]

Jun 19, 2024 21:48:37 GMT right said:

Another corrupt Tory who would have guessed ?

[Rutlander]

BBC reporting that she is married to Tony Lee, the Conservative Party’s Director of Campaigns.

[finsobruce]

Jun 20, 2024 7:36:35 GMT Rutlander said:

BBC reporting that she is married to Tony Lee, the Conservative Party’s Director of Campaigns.

Uh Oh.

[John Chanin]

Why exactly should we care if someone uses inside information to get one over on the bookies?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Because of s. 42, Gambling Act 2005.

[right]

Jun 20, 2024 8:39:20 GMT John Chanin said:

Why exactly should we care if someone uses inside information to get one over on the bookies?

Perhaps a Chinese betting gang was behind the decision to go to the country

It would make more sense than many other theories that have surfaced

Is there a market on when world leaders leave the D Day celebration?

[right]

Jun 20, 2024 8:51:07 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Because of s. 42, Gambling Act 2005.

Is inside information after the event interference or deception?

It's all a bit seedy to me, but unless they called the election to get the payout they didn't interfere. And she didn't deceive unless you have to proactively state your inside information.

I don't approve of this and wish they concentrated on getting their ducks in a row for an election campaign once they knew the date, rather than placing bets. And I hope I wouldn't be, but suspect I would, as much of a moral panicker if the boot was on the other foot. But in the end it's seedy, and it's not unknown for bookies to use all the tricks to avoid paying out

[John Chanin]

Jun 20, 2024 9:00:01 GMT right said:

Jun 20, 2024 8:51:07 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Because of s. 42, Gambling Act 2005.

Is inside information after the event interference or deception?

It's all a bit seedy to me, but unless they called the election to get the payout they didn't interfere. And she didn't deceive unless you have to proactively state your inside information.

Yes I followed David's link and was pondering the same question.  Do bookies really need protection when they are skilled at not paying out?  How does it differ from a horse trainer who has trained a horse specifically to win a race?  Or a relative who knows a tennis player is carrying an injury?  

There are specific laws against insider trading in financial markets, where large sums of money may be at stake, but not elsewhere.  Competitors can be sanctioned for betting against themselves (or in some sports betting at all), but this isn't a legal sanction.

[right]

Jun 20, 2024 9:15:51 GMT John Chanin said:

Jun 20, 2024 9:00:01 GMT right said:

Is inside information after the event interference or deception?

It's all a bit seedy to me, but unless they called the election to get the payout they didn't interfere. And she didn't deceive unless you have to proactively state your inside information.

Yes I followed David's link and was pondering the same question.  Do bookies really need protection when they are skilled at not paying out?  How does it differ from a horse trainer who has trained a horse specifically to win a race?  Or a relative who knows a tennis player is carrying an injury?  

There are specific laws against insider trading in financial markets, where large sums of money may be at stake, but not elsewhere.  Competitors can be sanctioned for betting against themselves (or in some sports betting at all), but this isn't a legal sanction.

My long held view that insider trading should be treated as a civil matter rather than a criminal one is probably not for this discussion

But should bookies have protection from the odd punter with genuine inside information while they profit handsomely from the many over confident saps with an imagined "angle"? Of course they should, they're big and powerful and that's how gambling works.

Card counting should have a minimum five year sentence while we're about it. And as for those scrotes who follow the reels on fruit machines, do they have no sympathy for the fruit machine operators. Where is the third Porsche going to come from? Hanging's too good for them. That's what I say.

[johnloony]

Jun 20, 2024 8:39:20 GMT John Chanin said:

Why exactly should we care if someone uses inside information to get one over on the bookies?

Because he’s defrauding the other betting customers. For the same reason we are against shoplifters - they don’t steal from the shop, they steal from the other customers.

[Rutlander]

Jun 20, 2024 7:36:35 GMT Rutlander said:

BBC reporting that she is married to Tony Lee, the Conservative Party’s Director of Campaigns.

... and Lee took a 'leave of absence' from Party HQ yesterday

[Rutlander]

Contrasting slogans: "Stop the Boats" vs "Stop the Bets" ;-)

[carlton43]

Jun 20, 2024 8:39:20 GMT John Chanin said:

Why exactly should we care if someone uses inside information to get one over on the bookies?

I don't like gambling and see it as a sin, a defect and a major cause of distress and misery to many individuals and families.

I don't like gambling companies, betting shops, online gambling, one-armed bandits or casinos and see them all as evidence of a depraved society.  I would never have permitted or facilitated any of those and especially the IT and TV advertising.

But we did do so and the businesses are legal and should be afforded normal protection from criminal depravity.  NO, it is not alright to bilk or 'get one over' on bookies, estate agents, banks, insurance companies or any other business.  It is criminal, evil and depraved.

We live in a very corrupt and depraved society where mass gambling has not helped.  To have specialist police and two MPs, plus others possibly guilty of such criminality is frankly appalling and a window on the depraved condition of society.  YES, I DO mind and I want them all arrested and if guilty to be given long gaol sentences.

[sonofkrautrock]

If I remember correctly, Tony Lee is Mary Page’s ex…..

[right]

Jun 20, 2024 15:21:05 GMT carlton43 said:

Jun 20, 2024 8:39:20 GMT John Chanin said:

Why exactly should we care if someone uses inside information to get one over on the bookies?

I don't like gambling and see it as a sin, a defect and a major cause of distress and misery to many individuals and families.

I don't like gambling companies, betting shops, online gambling, one-armed bandits or casinos and see them all as evidence of a depraved society.  I would never have permitted or facilitated any of those and especially the IT and TV advertising.

But we did do so and the businesses are legal and should be afforded normal protection from criminal depravity.  NO, it is not alright to bilk or 'get one over' on bookies, estate agents, banks, insurance companies or any other business.  It is criminal, evil and depraved.

We live in a very corrupt and depraved society where mass gambling has not helped.  To have specialist police and two MPs, plus others possibly guilty of such criminality is frankly appalling and a window on the depraved condition of society.  YES, I DO mind and I want them all arrested and if guilty to be given long gaol sentences.

There's never been a conviction for betting on inside knowledge and a plain reading of the law that's linked above doesn't show any cheating.  If they were influencing the date to make a bet that would be a different story, but there's no evidence of that.

I don't mind giving bookies the protrection of the law, but if there are new offences they should be introduced through Parliament and not through an election campaign

[right]

Jun 20, 2024 15:22:28 GMT sonofkrautrock said:

If I remember correctly, Tony Lee is Mary Page’s ex…..

He's traded up