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Post by redtony on Jun 20, 2024 20:23:24 GMT
THEY RESIGNED because Corbyn was leader not to support him
corbyn was Leader
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Post by andrea on Jun 20, 2024 20:40:58 GMT
From The Guardian
A Labour source who has been campaigning for Nargund said the race felt “pretty close” and that many locals were yet to fully acknowledge Corbyn was not the party’s candidate, but said Nargund’s team was “pumping out campaign literature” to bolster his profile.
“There are people who still thought Corbyn was the Labour candidate so we know Praful has got some work to do just based on Corbyn’s name recognition. But in Corbyn’s home ward it seemed like it was 10% pro-Corbyn support which is striking,” they said.
A source from Corbyn’s campaign team said last week that their “early canvass returns show it’s pretty much neck and neck” between Corbyn and Nargund.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 20, 2024 23:15:52 GMT
From The Guardian A Labour source who has been campaigning for Nargund said the race felt “pretty close” and that many locals were yet to fully acknowledge Corbyn was not the party’s candidate, but said Nargund’s team was “pumping out campaign literature” to bolster his profile. “There are people who still thought Corbyn was the Labour candidate so we know Praful has got some work to do just based on Corbyn’s name recognition. But in Corbyn’s home ward it seemed like it was 10% pro-Corbyn support which is striking,” they said. A source from Corbyn’s campaign team said last week that their “early canvass returns show it’s pretty much neck and neck” between Corbyn and Nargund. there's an irony in labour and corbyn want the same thing. From what I've heard there's a lot of people saying; 'yes I'm voting Labour, Jeremy has really helped me out on something or another' For labour they want people to vote labour in the knowledge that corbyn isn't the candidate. While Corbyn wants people to vote for him in the knowledge he isn't the labour candidate. The fear on both sides is either people vote for Corbyn thinking he's the labour MP or people vote labour thinking they're re electing Jeremy. |
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Post by matureleft on Jun 21, 2024 5:47:49 GMT
From The Guardian A Labour source who has been campaigning for Nargund said the race felt “pretty close” and that many locals were yet to fully acknowledge Corbyn was not the party’s candidate, but said Nargund’s team was “pumping out campaign literature” to bolster his profile. “There are people who still thought Corbyn was the Labour candidate so we know Praful has got some work to do just based on Corbyn’s name recognition. But in Corbyn’s home ward it seemed like it was 10% pro-Corbyn support which is striking,” they said. A source from Corbyn’s campaign team said last week that their “early canvass returns show it’s pretty much neck and neck” between Corbyn and Nargund. there's an irony in labour and corbyn want the same thing. From what I've heard there's a lot of people saying; 'yes I'm voting Labour, Jeremy has really helped me out on something or another' For labour they want people to vote labour in the knowledge that corbyn isn't the candidate. While Corbyn wants people to vote for him in the knowledge he isn't the labour candidate. The fear on both sides is either people vote for Corbyn thinking he's the labour MP or people vote labour thinking they're re electing Jeremy. Honesty on the doorstep is always something to discount somewhat. I think in this instance that’ll probably be even more so (to campaigners on both sides). |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 5:48:34 GMT
From The Guardian A Labour source who has been campaigning for Nargund said the race felt “pretty close” and that many locals were yet to fully acknowledge Corbyn was not the party’s candidate, but said Nargund’s team was “pumping out campaign literature” to bolster his profile. “There are people who still thought Corbyn was the Labour candidate so we know Praful has got some work to do just based on Corbyn’s name recognition. But in Corbyn’s home ward it seemed like it was 10% pro-Corbyn support which is striking,” they said. A source from Corbyn’s campaign team said last week that their “early canvass returns show it’s pretty much neck and neck” between Corbyn and Nargund. there's an irony in labour and corbyn want the same thing. From what I've heard there's a lot of people saying; 'yes I'm voting Labour, Jeremy has really helped me out on something or another' For labour they want people to vote labour in the knowledge that corbyn isn't the candidate. While Corbyn wants people to vote for him in the knowledge he isn't the labour candidate. The fear on both sides is either people vote for Corbyn thinking he's the labour MP or people vote labour thinking they're re electing Jeremy. I'm surprised that there wasn't some centrist stooge called Jeremy Crobyn (Independent - Top Choice for Islington North) running here or something like that. |
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Post by YL on Jun 21, 2024 6:37:56 GMT
I'm surprised that there wasn't some centrist stooge called Jeremy Crobyn (Independent - Top Choice for Islington North) running here or something like that. That description would be against the rules, but someone did actually try to stand as a fake Jeremy Corbyn but got rejected. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 6:41:17 GMT
I'm surprised that there wasn't some centrist stooge called Jeremy Crobyn (Independent - Top Choice for Islington North) running here or something like that. That description would be against the rules, but someone did actually try to stand as a fake Jeremy Corbyn but got rejected. I think Richard Huggett's actions in the 1990s (standing as Literal Democrat etc) put paid to all that skulduggery. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 21, 2024 7:17:09 GMT
there's an irony in labour and corbyn want the same thing. From what I've heard there's a lot of people saying; 'yes I'm voting Labour, Jeremy has really helped me out on something or another' For labour they want people to vote labour in the knowledge that corbyn isn't the candidate. While Corbyn wants people to vote for him in the knowledge he isn't the labour candidate. The fear on both sides is either people vote for Corbyn thinking he's the labour MP or people vote labour thinking they're re electing Jeremy. I'm surprised that there wasn't some centrist stooge called Jeremy Crobyn (Independent - Top Choice for Islington North) running here or something like that. papers from a man called Jeremy Corbyn from central London were rejected by the returning officer in Islington |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 21, 2024 7:45:58 GMT
I'm surprised that there wasn't some centrist stooge called Jeremy Crobyn (Independent - Top Choice for Islington North) running here or something like that. papers from a man called Jeremy Corbyn from central London were rejected by the returning officer in Islington What chance that this was Labour Party skulduggery? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 21, 2024 8:15:23 GMT
papers from a man called Jeremy Corbyn from central London were rejected by the returning officer in Islington What chance that this was Labour Party skulduggery? I understand Joe Kennedy did this when JFK first ran for political office |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2024 8:22:07 GMT
What chance that this was Labour Party skulduggery? I understand Joe Kennedy did this when JFK first ran for political office Joe Kennedy III is a skulduggery merchant, IMO, but we are getting off topic. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 21, 2024 8:58:04 GMT
I understand Joe Kennedy did this when JFK first ran for political office Joe Kennedy III is a skulduggery merchant, IMO, but we are getting off topic. This isn't RAILUK, going off topic is generally fine  |
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 21, 2024 9:07:25 GMT
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Post by right on Jun 21, 2024 10:50:14 GMT
Will Tory and Lib Dem supporters lend their vote to Corbyn as an anti-Labour vote? We saw that a bit in Livingston's first run.
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Post by adlai52 on Jun 21, 2024 12:29:08 GMT
Will Tory and Lib Dem supporters lend their vote to Corbyn as an anti-Labour vote? We saw that a bit in Livingston's first run. Too toxic for Conservative voters surely? Suspect that many - not all - Conservative and LibDem voters in Islington North would prefer a Labour MP than Corbyn. It is also a seat where the rump Conservative vote is probably quite inflexible. |
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Post by noorderling on Jun 21, 2024 12:32:53 GMT
Will Tory and Lib Dem supporters lend their vote to Corbyn as an anti-Labour vote? We saw that a bit in Livingston's first run. Too toxic for Conservative voters surely? Suspect that many - not all - Conservative and LibDem voters in Islington North would prefer a Labour MP than Corbyn. It is also a seat where the rump Conservative vote is probably quite inflexible. Why would people who have voted against Corbyn for years now suddenly change and vote to retain him? |
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Post by right on Jun 21, 2024 13:05:26 GMT
Will Tory and Lib Dem supporters lend their vote to Corbyn as an anti-Labour vote? We saw that a bit in Livingston's first run. Too toxic for Conservative voters surely? Suspect that many - not all - Conservative and LibDem voters in Islington North would prefer a Labour MP than Corbyn. It is also a seat where the rump Conservative vote is probably quite inflexible. He's not toxic if he's diluted by powerlessness. And he's less powerful than he was when he was a whippable Labour MP |
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Post by right on Jun 21, 2024 13:06:54 GMT
Too toxic for Conservative voters surely? Suspect that many - not all - Conservative and LibDem voters in Islington North would prefer a Labour MP than Corbyn. It is also a seat where the rump Conservative vote is probably quite inflexible. Why would people who have voted against Corbyn for years now suddenly change and vote to retain him? Because he's no longer Labour, and it might tweak Labour's beard Most of us must have seen how if you live in a one party town, and there's a chance that this party could get a bloody nose, then party lines become less clear. |
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Post by birkinabe on Jun 21, 2024 13:45:45 GMT
It would certainly be amusing to see the reactions from both diehard Corbyn supporters and opponents if the vote share changes on 2019 here are consistent with there being significant crossover support from erstwhile Conservative voters.
If that does end up happening, then another possible factor to consider is a sympathy vote for Corbyn due to them being antipathetic towards Starmer.
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Post by right on Jun 21, 2024 14:00:16 GMT
It would certainly be amusing to see the reactions from both diehard Corbyn supporters and opponents if the vote share changes on 2019 here are consistent with there being significant crossover support from erstwhile Conservative voters. If that does end up happening, then another possible factor to consider is a sympathy vote for Corbyn due to them being antipathetic towards Starmer. That's possibly the case, as Corbyn is quickly transitioning into a national treasure and there are an awful lot of MPs and councillors that I've canvassed for and against where you have voters who say they'll vote against them purely because of their party label but they really credit them as a hard worker. Not vote against them because of their barmy beliefs. I suspect any obvious squeeze on Tory and Liberal voters - or any uptick in turnout from comparatively less Labour polling districts - would be taken as evidence that they are voting Labour to keep Corbyn out. But I just think that this is the less likely story now he's no longer a threat. |
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