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Post by cathyc on Jul 27, 2024 10:01:31 GMT
Wrong. "A verbal contract, also known as an oral or parol contract, is a legally binding agreement made between two or more parties through spoken communication, such as over the phone." Don't make it worse. When you have been shewn up as wrong, stop digging the hole. Some of us here are well versed in commercial law and usage and even fewer of us have a good grasp on structural English. That was my last word on it. ’tis bitter cold, And I am sick at heart. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jul 27, 2024 10:09:22 GMT
You really are a very, very silly individual that is trying desperately to manufacture something from nothing. A promise to do something for someone is not the same as entering into a contract and even Mack has not come close to suggesting the things that you are. It seems pretty likely that what happened here is as follows. Shortly after announcing he was standing in Clacton there was phone call between Farage and Mack. The latter no doubt spoke of the money he had spent on the campaign and Farage will have almost certainly suggested the possibility of paying him for that and/or floated the idea of a job. The conditions would have been entirely unspoken and non-specific, i.e take one for the team like a good soldier and we will look after you. Farage has been playing this game for 30 years and he is bloody good at it. He hasn't survived this long by clumsily committing criminal acts. You may well agree with Mack's assessment that Farage has been dishonest but trying to find a crime in this is quite pathetic desperation. Then I suggest you read the sections of election law that cover inducements for candidates to stand down. Like I said right from the start, it may well be that Mack wasn't a candidate in the legal sense so there is no offence. It still shows what a grifter's charter is Reform UK. Still, probably to be expected in an outfit where 20% of its House of Commons representation has been in jail. I don't need to read that which I already understand. There is no evidence whatsoever that there was an inducement for a candidate to stand down. Mack has made no such claim and since he is attempting to damage Farage I am sure he would have mentioned it if that was the case. In your bitter hatred of Farage you are trying to make something of nothing. |
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Post by cathyc on Jul 27, 2024 10:28:35 GMT
Then I suggest you read the sections of election law that cover inducements for candidates to stand down. Like I said right from the start, it may well be that Mack wasn't a candidate in the legal sense so there is no offence. It still shows what a grifter's charter is Reform UK. Still, probably to be expected in an outfit where 20% of its House of Commons representation has been in jail. . There is no evidence whatsoever that there was an inducement for a candidate to stand down. Mack has made no such claim and since he is attempting to damage Farage I am sure he would have mentioned it if that was the case. In your bitter hatred of Farage you are trying to make something of nothing. Yes, you do. No, you don't. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 18, 2024 7:19:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2024 7:50:33 GMT
The amount of outside interests ... Trumpian. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Aug 26, 2024 16:26:35 GMT
There's a jokey mock postcard doing the rounds on Facebook and elsewhere recommending Clacton as the place to go if you want to avoid Nigel Farage. I'd link to it if I could find a decent source, but I expect many of you have seen it already.
The point in mentioning it is that I can foresee quite a few more of these sorts of jibes being aimed at our Nige if he doesn't show at least some willingness to attend to constituency affairs. It's fair to say that the expectations of MEPs where local pastoral duties are concerned were minimal (Q. Did anyone here ever contact an MEP with a local issue, and if so what response did you get?). So Nige could get away with doing bugger all with plenty of time to swan around international conferences, and no-one gave much of a damn. And he could comfort himself with the idea that anyone who didn't vote for him and his party probably had a different MEP for the same region that they could approach anyway.
As an MP for a single member Westminster seat, the situation is somewhat different. He has to represent not only the people who put an X against his name, but those who voted for others and even those who stayed at home. And some of those may expect more than just his customary grandstanding; hell, they may have serious constituency issues for him to pick up. And if he falls short they'll likely let this be known.
Thing is, I think Nige is actually quite thin-skinned, as we saw after Led by Donkeys revealed the Putin poster at one of his events. Threats to get people sacked don't suggest much of a sense of humour. An if he starts developing a reputation for tetchiness or worse, some of the "regular guy that you might have a pint with" schtick will start to rub off and his personal appeal could diminish.
So this "postcard", if it is the first of many digs at his laziness and distaste for constituency work, might be a straw in the wind.
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Post by batman on Aug 26, 2024 17:02:48 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived.
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Post by johnloony on Aug 26, 2024 17:08:01 GMT
There's a jokey mock postcard doing the rounds on Facebook and elsewhere recommending Clacton as the place to go if you want to avoid Nigel Farage. I'd link to it if I could find a decent source, but I expect many of you have seen it already. The point in mentioning it is that I can foresee quite a few more of these sorts of jibes being aimed at our Nige if he doesn't show at least some willingness to attend to constituency affairs. It's fair to say that the expectations of MEPs where local pastoral duties are concerned were minimal (Q. Did anyone here ever contact an MEP with a local issue, and if so what response did you get?). So Nige could get away with doing bugger all with plenty of time to swan around international conferences, and no-one gave much of a damn. And he could comfort himself with the idea that anyone who didn't vote for him and his party probably had a different MEP for the same region that they could approach anyway. As an MP for a single member Westminster seat, the situation is somewhat different. He has to represent not only the people who put an X against his name, but those who voted for others and even those who stayed at home. And some of those may expect more than just his customary grandstanding; hell, they may have serious constituency issues for him to pick up. And if he falls short they'll likely let this be known. Thing is, I think Nige is actually quite thin-skinned, as we saw after Led by Donkeys revealed the Putin poster at one of his events. Threats to get people sacked don't suggest much of a sense of humour. An if he starts developing a reputation for tetchiness or worse, some of the "regular guy that you might have a pint with" schtick will start to rub off and his personal appeal could diminish. So this "postcard", if it is the first of many digs at his laziness and distaste for constituency work, might be a straw in the wind. If he doesn’t pull his finger out and grasp the nettle by the horns, he will come third in the next election. |
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Post by finsobruce on Aug 26, 2024 17:21:39 GMT
There's a jokey mock postcard doing the rounds on Facebook and elsewhere recommending Clacton as the place to go if you want to avoid Nigel Farage. I'd link to it if I could find a decent source, but I expect many of you have seen it already. The point in mentioning it is that I can foresee quite a few more of these sorts of jibes being aimed at our Nige if he doesn't show at least some willingness to attend to constituency affairs. It's fair to say that the expectations of MEPs where local pastoral duties are concerned were minimal (Q. Did anyone here ever contact an MEP with a local issue, and if so what response did you get?). So Nige could get away with doing bugger all with plenty of time to swan around international conferences, and no-one gave much of a damn. And he could comfort himself with the idea that anyone who didn't vote for him and his party probably had a different MEP for the same region that they could approach anyway. As an MP for a single member Westminster seat, the situation is somewhat different. He has to represent not only the people who put an X against his name, but those who voted for others and even those who stayed at home. And some of those may expect more than just his customary grandstanding; hell, they may have serious constituency issues for him to pick up. And if he falls short they'll likely let this be known. Thing is, I think Nige is actually quite thin-skinned, as we saw after Led by Donkeys revealed the Putin poster at one of his events. Threats to get people sacked don't suggest much of a sense of humour. An if he starts developing a reputation for tetchiness or worse, some of the "regular guy that you might have a pint with" schtick will start to rub off and his personal appeal could diminish. So this "postcard", if it is the first of many digs at his laziness and distaste for constituency work, might be a straw in the wind. If he doesn’t pull his finger out and grasp the nettle by the horns, he will come third in the next election. He'll need to put some clear blue water between himself and the thin red line. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Aug 26, 2024 17:24:57 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived. The big test is whether the self-styled "man of the people" will actually go to Jaywick to deal with "the people". So far he's chosen the USA twice , and I doubt anybody in that part of his constituency can choose to just take trans-Atlantic flights at a whim. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 26, 2024 18:03:30 GMT
It's fair to say that the expectations of MEPs where local pastoral duties are concerned were minimal (Q. Did anyone here ever contact an MEP with a local issue, and if so what response did you get?). I can't remember formally contacting them although I did respond to some of Syed Kamall's campaigns. In the later years I knew both the Conservative MEPs by name but discussions when we met tended to be about national and international issues. A friend of mine in the South East did contact Daniel Hannan about an issue and its local effect (I can't remember what it was now) but got a response that he didn't agree with more legislation to tackle every little problem. And people wonder why he never made it to the Commons. For all but the first few weeks of his parliamentary career I lived in the same suburb (Forest Gate) as Gerard Batten but never felt the need to contact him and only ever saw him at local EU Parliament counts. Plus Ukip MEPs were not elected to do things, they were elected to express protest and rejection of the system. |
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Post by timmullen on Aug 26, 2024 18:43:55 GMT
(Q. Did anyone here ever contact an MEP with a local issue, and if so what response did you get?). One of the voluntary groups I was involved with was rejected for a European grant, appealed and contacted our MEPs; Neena Gill and Liz Lynne both came to meet with us, and Jim Carver, who I think had been given North Staffs by the West Midlands UKIP team, did offer help with negotiating our way around the paperwork. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Aug 27, 2024 8:25:26 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived. The big test is whether the self-styled "man of the people" will actually go to Jaywick to deal with "the people". So far he's chosen the USA twice , and I doubt anybody in that part of his constituency can choose to just take trans-Atlantic flights at a whim. The really big test will be how many MPs will criticise him as an absentee MP whilst never mentioning the frequent absences of their own colleagues! |
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Post by r34t on Aug 27, 2024 8:43:21 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived. Deprivation & casework volume don't necessarily align in my experience. Knowing to get in touch with your MP & how to contact them takes knowledge of how to use the system. Being proactive & running local surgeries, in partnership with local community groups can help with this. I'm doubtful that 'our Nige' will do this, but who knows. Good delegation & the support allowances means he could employ a good caseworker & delegate. On second thoughts, still doubtful. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 27, 2024 8:51:56 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived. Deprivation & casework volume don't necessarily align in my experience. Knowing to get in touch with your MP & how to contact them takes knowledge of how to use the system. Being proactive & running local surgeries, in partnership with local community groups can help with this. I'm doubtful that 'our Nige' will do this, but who knows. Good delegation & the support allowances means he could employ a good caseworker & delegate. On second thoughts, still doubtful. No proper MP or sensible person would seek to do any of that. An MP is representing the tenor of his seat in the abstract and observing, criticizing and holding the Administration to account. He is then minutely examining the structure of bills to correct error, remove obfuscation, simplify wording, and improve utility. He should not be grandstanding as a nanny, social worker and agony aunt to the incompetent and the losers in his patch. |
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Post by matureleft on Aug 27, 2024 8:57:26 GMT
Deprivation & casework volume don't necessarily align in my experience. Knowing to get in touch with your MP & how to contact them takes knowledge of how to use the system. Being proactive & running local surgeries, in partnership with local community groups can help with this. I'm doubtful that 'our Nige' will do this, but who knows. Good delegation & the support allowances means he could employ a good caseworker & delegate. On second thoughts, still doubtful. No proper MP or sensible person would seek to do any of that. An MP is representing the tenor of his seat in the abstract and observing, criticizing and holding the Administration to account. He is then minutely examining the structure of bills to correct error, remove obfuscation, simplify wording, and improve utility. He should not be grandstanding as a nanny, social worker and agony aunt to the incompetent and the losers in his patch. Good luck with seeking re-election in anything like a marginal seat with that attitude and approach... |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 27, 2024 9:11:52 GMT
No proper MP or sensible person would seek to do any of that. An MP is representing the tenor of his seat in the abstract and observing, criticizing and holding the Administration to account. He is then minutely examining the structure of bills to correct error, remove obfuscation, simplify wording, and improve utility. He should not be grandstanding as a nanny, social worker and agony aunt to the incompetent and the losers in his patch. Good luck with seeking re-election in anything like a marginal seat with that attitude and approach... That is quite irrelevant to my central point on the real purpose of an MP and your very modernist take of it being only about the means of engineering an election. Most MPs on the left and many on the semi-right completely misunderstand the nature and purpose of being an MP and it is drawing in people ill-suited to the task through lack of necessary experience, training and character. That job is about painstaking attention to detail, legalism, quick accurate absorption of an overview, broad view conspectus, and lucid oratory. The very last thing the HOC needs is a bunch of emotional social workers special pleading hard cases, and often about foreigners and immigrants who are of no interest or account to the nation. I am too old to be seeking election and would not wish to under current daft rules and regulations hampering my private and business life. If I was younger I would engineer selection for Weald/Mid Kent where I would be a good fit and perfectly safe and unlikely to have much in the way of ethnic and underclass sob story 'issues' to ignore. |
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Post by cathyc on Aug 27, 2024 9:39:42 GMT
Good luck with seeking re-election in anything like a marginal seat with that attitude and approach... That is quite irrelevant to my central point on the real purpose of an MP and your very modernist take of it being only about the means of engineering an election. Most MPs on the left and many on the semi-right completely misunderstand the nature and purpose of being an MP and it is drawing in people ill-suited to the task through lack of necessary experience, training and character. That job is about painstaking attention to detail, legalism, quick accurate absorption of an overview, broad view conspectus, and lucid oratory. The very last thing the HOC needs is a bunch of emotional social workers special pleading hard cases, and often about foreigners and immigrants who are of no interest or account to the nation. I am too old to be seeking election and would not wish to under current daft rules and regulations hampering my private and business life. If I was younger I would engineer selection for Weald/Mid Kent where I would be a good fit and perfectly safe and unlikely to have much in the way of ethnic and underclass sob story 'issues' to ignore. You don't even agree with democracy anyway and yet continue to stalk the halls of an election forum. It does make your views on parliamentary duties somewhat redundant and almost certainly mischief making. |
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Post by right on Aug 27, 2024 9:43:35 GMT
there is bound to be quite a bit of constituency casework, not least because parts of the constituency especially Jaywick are very deprived. Deprivation & casework volume don't necessarily align in my experience. Knowing to get in touch with your MP & how to contact them takes knowledge of how to use the system. Being proactive & running local surgeries, in partnership with local community groups can help with this. I'm doubtful that 'our Nige' will do this, but who knows. Good delegation & the support allowances means he could employ a good caseworker & delegate. On second thoughts, still doubtful. There will be people within Reform with that skillset and Farage has been good at ferreting the right people out at the right time and getting them on board. It's retaining them that's the issue. Whether he sees it as a priority I'm not sure. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 27, 2024 9:54:23 GMT
That is quite irrelevant to my central point on the real purpose of an MP and your very modernist take of it being only about the means of engineering an election. Most MPs on the left and many on the semi-right completely misunderstand the nature and purpose of being an MP and it is drawing in people ill-suited to the task through lack of necessary experience, training and character. That job is about painstaking attention to detail, legalism, quick accurate absorption of an overview, broad view conspectus, and lucid oratory. The very last thing the HOC needs is a bunch of emotional social workers special pleading hard cases, and often about foreigners and immigrants who are of no interest or account to the nation. I am too old to be seeking election and would not wish to under current daft rules and regulations hampering my private and business life. If I was younger I would engineer selection for Weald/Mid Kent where I would be a good fit and perfectly safe and unlikely to have much in the way of ethnic and underclass sob story 'issues' to ignore. You don't even agree with democracy anyway and yet continue to stalk the halls of an election forum. It does make your views on parliamentary duties somewhat redundant and almost certainly mischief making. Ah! Just so much to like in that post. "...stalk the halls of an election forum." And you suggesting that another member was "...certainly mischief making." That is a corker and no mistake. My views on an MP's parliamentary duties are indeed entirely correct, and those modernist, revisionist views by people such as yourself are the damaging nonsense, not mine. |
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