stb12
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Post by stb12 on Mar 13, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
Leicester East
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Post by John Chanin on Mar 14, 2024 11:42:40 GMT
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right
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Post by right on Mar 20, 2024 8:50:22 GMT
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Post by batman on Mar 20, 2024 10:56:39 GMT
Webbe would be insane to stand. Who on earth would vote for her?
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right
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Post by right on Mar 20, 2024 11:06:24 GMT
Webbe would be insane to stand. Who on earth would vote for her? Is Vaz particularly close to the Muslim community? I suspect so, but if not she could run as someone who cares about Palestine. But you need some credibility to get into that nook, and my impression is that this constituency is mainly non Muslim Indian. Edit: Her website still seems to be updated, although the last update seems to have been two weeks ago claudiawebbe.org/articles-new/ |
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Post by joe on Mar 20, 2024 11:10:51 GMT
Webbe would be insane to stand. Who on earth would vote for her? but she is insane she still insists that's she's innocent despite being found guilty twice |
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Post by right on Mar 20, 2024 11:11:59 GMT
Webbe would be insane to stand. Who on earth would vote for her? but she is insane she still insists that's she's innocent despite being found guilty twice Also does her pension improve if she's defeated rather than resigns? Or has that now ended? |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 20, 2024 11:29:44 GMT
but she is insane she still insists that's she's innocent despite being found guilty twice Also does her pension improve if she's defeated rather than resigns? Or has that now ended?
From my reading of these I think the answer is no, but i'll defer to others who know better.
The amount of the 'redundancy' payment has been doubled of course. And...
"following the end of five-year fixed term parliaments, all MPs who are standing down at an election will now qualify.
As before, those MPs who stand down before an election period will not receive the payment".
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 20, 2024 11:43:17 GMT
Webbe would be insane to stand. Who on earth would vote for her? but she is insane she still insists that's she's innocent despite being found guilty twice Just in fairness, she was cleared of the most serious charges. But yes I do agree that she shouldn't embarrass herself in this way. |
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Post by jamie on Mar 20, 2024 11:45:42 GMT
Webbe would almost certainly get a derisory result. Vaz or someone allied to him could do well though (not win, but possibly enough to cause a Labour loss).
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Post by andrea on Mar 20, 2024 11:50:32 GMT
Also does her pension improve if she's defeated rather than resigns? Or has that now ended? From my reading of these I think the answer is no, but i'll defer to others who know better.
The amount of the 'redundancy' payment has been doubled of course. And... "following the end of five-year fixed term parliaments, all MPs who are standing down at an election will now qualify.
As before, those MPs who stand down before an election period will not receive the payment".
Everyone leaving parliament will now get the winding-up payment (4 months salary). Only those losing the seat will get the Loss of Office Payment (LOOP). The changes to LOOP are that they don't need to restand in the same constituency they were MP for, they can lose everywhere in the country and get LOOP. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 20, 2024 11:56:37 GMT
From my reading of these I think the answer is no, but i'll defer to others who know better.
The amount of the 'redundancy' payment has been doubled of course. And... "following the end of five-year fixed term parliaments, all MPs who are standing down at an election will now qualify.
As before, those MPs who stand down before an election period will not receive the payment".
Everyone leaving parliament will now get the winding-up payment (4 months salary). Only those losing the seat will get the Loss of Office Payment (LOOP). The changes to LOOP are that they don't need to restand in the same constituency they were MP for, they can lose everywhere in the country and get LOOP. Loopy. 
right was asking about the pension specifically . |
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Post by andrea on Mar 20, 2024 12:03:36 GMT
Everyone leaving parliament will now get the winding-up payment (4 months salary). Only those losing the seat will get the Loss of Office Payment (LOOP). The changes to LOOP are that they don't need to restand in the same constituency they were MP for, they can lose everywhere in the country and get LOOP. Loopy. right was asking about the pension specifically . Pension can't change based on the result because it is based on years of service and contribution. For each year in which you made a pension contribution to the MPs’ Pension Scheme CARE Section, you will build up CARE credits of 1/51st (approximately 1.96%) of your Pensionable Salary for that year. While you are contributing to the PCPF, your CARE credits will be revalued on each 1 April in line with the Consumer Prices IndexAlso she will have to wait when she is 66 year old. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 20, 2024 12:09:47 GMT
Loopy. right was asking about the pension specifically . Pension can't change based on the result because it is based on years of service and contribution. For each year in which you made a pension contribution to the MPs’ Pension Scheme CARE Section, you will build up CARE credits of 1/51st (approximately 1.96%) of your Pensionable Salary for that year. While you are contributing to the PCPF, your CARE credits will be revalued on each 1 April in line with the Consumer Prices IndexAlso she will have to wait when she is 66 year old. Well indeed. Luckily it doesn't depend on how important they thought their contribution was.  |
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Post by john07 on Mar 24, 2024 17:35:16 GMT
Everyone leaving parliament will now get the winding-up payment (4 months salary). Only those losing the seat will get the Loss of Office Payment (LOOP). The changes to LOOP are that they don't need to restand in the same constituency they were MP for, they can lose everywhere in the country and get LOOP. I remember when Frank Hooley was deselected in Heeley in 1983, he stood in Stratford-upon-Avon. This preserved his 'redundancy' payments. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 24, 2024 18:41:40 GMT
Indeed-and lost his deposit in the process. John Sever ended up standing in a different constituency to his own that year after being deselected (he was MP for Birmingham Ladywood; he stood for the heavily redrawn Meriden).
Will Claudia Webbe stand again for this seat or just anywhere?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 24, 2024 19:42:04 GMT
John Sever was deselected in favour of Albert Bore in May 1981, but then Bore lost out to Clare Short when the selections were run for the new boundaries.
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Post by YL on Apr 6, 2024 6:30:36 GMT
Various posts about this constituency which ended up in the Sheffield Hallam thread: there's a lot of talk about this, but at present a ) Keith Vaz is still a member of the Labour Party and b ) has not said that he will run. I can only presume there's a good reason for all this speculation, but I haven't heard any evidence myself. I'm friends with someone very involved in Leicester politics who told me it's almost certain Keith Vaz runs. I'm friends with someone very involved in Leicester politics who told me it's almost certain Keith Vaz runs. Even if Keith Vaz did stand as a candidate, why on Earth would it matter? Shurely he wouldn’t get any more than a derisory tiny share of the votes? He’s a veteran has-been who was worn out years ago (in terms of health as well as politics). Or is there something else that I don’t know about? Even if Keith Vaz did stand as a candidate, why on Earth would it matter? Shurely he wouldn’t get any more than a derisory tiny share of the votes? He’s a veteran has-been who was worn out years ago (in terms of health as well as politics). Or is there something else that I don’t know about? Ethnic politics, the Labour mayor Peter Soulsby has upset a lot of people and specifically the deselection of a lot of Labour councillors of Asian descent was controversial. Leicester East is somewhere that ethnic based politics is absolutely crucial– the Tories have been gaining substantially from this but Gaza has likely hurt for them. Look at the results of the 2023 local election in Leicester, Labour fell back from 53 of 54 seats in 2019 to only 31 seats in 2023. What this means is that all Keith Vaz would need is the endorsement of prominent figures in the community (easy enough, he's reasonably popular amongst both Muslims and Hindus) and it's likely that both Labour and the Tories would rapidly hemorrhage voters. I'm not sure what will happen if he doesn't stand for some reason (e.g. health) though. Pre-Gaza I'd have said the Tories have a shot, but that will probably have hurt them a lot. Perhaps another independent would emerge, or perhaps there would just be a low turnout Labour hold. Why would Gaza hurt the Conservatives here? All their new supporters are in the Hindu community. More likely to help them by providing a reason for another set of Labour voters to haemorrage support elsewhere |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 6, 2024 10:01:09 GMT
I thought that Vaz was widely considered a discredited and washed up figure following his being compelled to stand down before the 2019 GE?
Even if that is not so, a decent show from him as an Independent might not automatically hurt Labour - he could take quite a few votes that might switch to Tory otherwise.
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Post by batman on Apr 6, 2024 10:03:44 GMT
he keeps coming back like certain other undesirable things
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