stb12
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Post by stb12 on Mar 13, 2024 20:50:26 GMT
Derbyshire Dales
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Post by markgoodair on May 28, 2024 18:46:22 GMT
Edward Oakenfull is the Reform Party candidate.
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Post by lackeroftalent on Jun 7, 2024 17:12:53 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2024 20:41:36 GMT
Second True and Fair candidate so far. There are allegedly four.
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YL
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Post by YL on Jun 7, 2024 21:09:37 GMT
Second True and Fair candidate so far. There are allegedly four. It isn't that hard to find their website, find the four constituencies they say they are standing in, find the SOPNs for those four constituencies, and thus to verify that there indeed are four. |
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YL
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Post by YL on Jun 7, 2024 21:11:50 GMT
But anyway, Rachel Elnaugh (or "Elnaugh-Love")...
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 7, 2024 21:14:30 GMT
Second True and Fair candidate so far. There are allegedly four. It isn't that hard to find their website, find the four constituencies they say they are standing in, find the SOPNs for those four constituencies, and thus to verify that there indeed are four. Indeed, which I have since been able to find. But given the bizarre goings-on with various parties today, and the rather grandiose past claims of this outfit, it would not have been a shock if the suggestion did not come true. |
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Post by lackeroftalent on Jun 29, 2024 14:26:12 GMT
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Post by markgoodair on Jun 29, 2024 15:37:58 GMT
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Post by matureleft on Jul 5, 2024 6:45:31 GMT
Labour completes a first clean sweep of Derbyshire. That was nearly done in 1945 when Labour held West Derbyshire but not High Peak.
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Post by threecrowns on Jul 5, 2024 8:20:17 GMT
Labour winning every Derbyshire seat is genuinely sensational but I don't suspect it will get the media attention that it deserves.
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Post by bsjmcr on Jul 7, 2024 22:26:37 GMT
Labour winning every Derbyshire seat is genuinely sensational but I don't suspect it will get the media attention that it deserves. Laughable that both of the seats that were ramped for a possible Johnson return, this and Henley, were lost. Of course there are 121 other places he could have stood and won though. |
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Post by Foggy on Jul 8, 2024 4:52:27 GMT
Labour winning every Derbyshire seat is genuinely sensational but I don't suspect it will get the media attention that it deserves. Of course there are 121 other places he could have stood and won though. Had he been the candidate in Central Devon or Godalming & Ash then I don't think he'd have won. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 4:54:55 GMT
Labour won West Derbyshire in 1945 and the Tories barely held on in 1986. This result doesn't surprise me. Tories holding Staffs Moorlands and not this one LOL
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Post by matureleft on Jul 8, 2024 6:14:51 GMT
Labour won West Derbyshire in 1945 and the Tories barely held on in 1986. This result doesn't surprise me. Tories holding Staffs Moorlands and not this one LOL The 1945 (very narrow) Labour win wasn’t quite as it seems. The Labour candidate, White, was already the MP, having won the seat in February 1944 in a by-election. Because of the agreement on coalition parties not contesting the seats of another coalition party there could be no official Labour candidate. White was a known Labour figure and had to fight the seat without official party support. He was no doubt helped by the Conservative candidate in 1944 being the Marquess of Hartington. The seat had been seen as being in the gift of the Cavendish family and this would have been resented in the democracy of a “people’s war”. Miserably the Marquess was killed in action in that war just a few months later. The narrow hold in 1986 was against the Liberals not Labour. A non-Tory win was going to come at some point - the area is moving away from them - but this was earlier than I expected. The grip on local government there has already loosened with inroads being made by the LDs, Labour and Greens. Precisely which party would lead a parliamentary challenge wasn’t clear, but this election has given Labour the opportunity to establish that role. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2024 6:16:39 GMT
Labour won West Derbyshire in 1945 and the Tories barely held on in 1986. This result doesn't surprise me. Tories holding Staffs Moorlands and not this one LOL The 1945 (very narrow) Labour win wasn’t quite as it seems. The Labour candidate, White, was already the MP, having won the seat in February 1944 in a by-election. Because of the agreement on coalition parties not contesting the seats of another coalition party there could be no official Labour candidate. White was a known Labour figure and had to fight the seat without official party support. He was no doubt helped by the Conservative candidate in 1944 being the Marquess of Hartington. The seat had been seen as being in the gift of the Cavendish family and this would have been resented in the democracy of a “people’s war”. Miserably the Marquess was killed in action in that war just a few months later. The narrow hold in 1986 was against the Liberals not Labour. A non-Tory win was going to come at some point - the area is moving away from them - but this was earlier than I expected. The grip on local government there has already loosened with inroads being made by the LDs, Labour and Greens. Precisely which party would lead a parliamentary challenge wasn’t clear, but this election has given Labour the opportunity to establish that role. Lots of Derbyshire is moving away from the Tories, except Bolsover, North East Derbyshire and possibly Chesterfield long-term. Bolsover will be the Tories' best seat in the county in my lifetime. Many of the Derbyshire towns aren't rust belt like Rother Valley (which was closer than any Derbyshire constituency). |
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Post by matureleft on Jul 8, 2024 7:37:58 GMT
The 1945 (very narrow) Labour win wasn’t quite as it seems. The Labour candidate, White, was already the MP, having won the seat in February 1944 in a by-election. Because of the agreement on coalition parties not contesting the seats of another coalition party there could be no official Labour candidate. White was a known Labour figure and had to fight the seat without official party support. He was no doubt helped by the Conservative candidate in 1944 being the Marquess of Hartington. The seat had been seen as being in the gift of the Cavendish family and this would have been resented in the democracy of a “people’s war”. Miserably the Marquess was killed in action in that war just a few months later. The narrow hold in 1986 was against the Liberals not Labour. A non-Tory win was going to come at some point - the area is moving away from them - but this was earlier than I expected. The grip on local government there has already loosened with inroads being made by the LDs, Labour and Greens. Precisely which party would lead a parliamentary challenge wasn’t clear, but this election has given Labour the opportunity to establish that role. Lots of Derbyshire is moving away from the Tories, except Bolsover, North East Derbyshire and possibly Chesterfield long-term. Bolsover will be the Tories' best seat in the county in my lifetime. Many of the Derbyshire towns aren't rust belt like Rother Valley (which was closer than any Derbyshire constituency). I’d confess to having lived in Derbyshire for just over 20 years and I have strong loyalties to the place. Thus what I say has some exaggeration perhaps. But large parts of it are really rather lovely and that includes substantial parts of former industrial seats. With the pits gone and landscapes restored where necessary you have a lot of small towns and villages which are often quite well connected to road systems (rail less so and that needs work). They do attract people from outside the area with initially fairly cheap housing, an attractive environment and a reasonable commute. Better quality local employment is needed - the M1 along the eastern side (so Bolsover and NE Derbyshire) has drawn quite a lot of logistics operations which aren’t great for that - but that will come. Over time these will become more populous and more diverse and their politics will evolve that way - gently leftwards. Not the Labour fortresses they once were but not comfortable Tory territory in any definition of what their party might be. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jul 8, 2024 12:15:40 GMT
Many of the Derbyshire towns aren't rust belt like Rother Valley (which was closer than any Derbyshire constituency). Please stop talking nonsense about places of which you clearly know little. Rother Valley is now a decently prosperous constituency, with really only a few pockets of significant deprivation (and most constituencies have those). |
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Post by cogload on Jul 8, 2024 12:25:07 GMT
We don't have a rust belt either. Why are people so desperate to ape and import Americanisms which are screamingly irrelevant in a UK context?
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Post by aargauer on Jul 8, 2024 12:26:55 GMT
Labour won West Derbyshire in 1945 and the Tories barely held on in 1986. This result doesn't surprise me. Tories holding Staffs Moorlands and not this one LOL The 1945 (very narrow) Labour win wasn’t quite as it seems. The Labour candidate, White, was already the MP, having won the seat in February 1944 in a by-election. Because of the agreement on coalition parties not contesting the seats of another coalition party there could be no official Labour candidate. White was a known Labour figure and had to fight the seat without official party support. He was no doubt helped by the Conservative candidate in 1944 being the Marquess of Hartington. The seat had been seen as being in the gift of the Cavendish family and this would have been resented in the democracy of a “people’s war”. Miserably the Marquess was killed in action in that war just a few months later. The narrow hold in 1986 was against the Liberals not Labour. A non-Tory win was going to come at some point - the area is moving away from them - but this was earlier than I expected. The grip on local government there has already loosened with inroads being made by the LDs, Labour and Greens. Precisely which party would lead a parliamentary challenge wasn’t clear, but this election has given Labour the opportunity to establish that role. Its not really observable in the general election results from 2010 to 2019. Tory vote up roughly in line with the national swing. 2017 to 2019 was a little poor, but that could be attributed to the loss of Patrick Mccoughlin's incumbency. |
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