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Post by dazza on Jan 13, 2014 16:45:03 GMT
Weirdo, but all I can say is that we never had anybody defecting anywhere when I was a Barking and Dag Cllr.They tried to get anybody standing after the BNP fiasco, and they got just that ..anybody.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 13, 2014 16:58:54 GMT
Realistically you're always more likely to get problems with personnel if you win every single seat in a borough. It's something of a miracle that Newham hasn't had anyone leaving the Labour group (although there's a rumour that one has unofficially and it's been covered up).
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 13, 2014 17:07:28 GMT
Realistically you're always more likely to get problems with personnel if you win every single seat in a borough. It's something of a miracle that Newham hasn't had anyone leaving the Labour group (although there's a rumour that one has unofficially and it's been covered up). Especially if you hadn't been expecting to (and I think that was likely the case last time with Labour in B&D) Newham is different in that totally lopsided results are more common there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 17:22:20 GMT
any idea if he was reselected or not ?
Because I presume most reselections have taken place so if was reselected why did he not defect before putting his name forward.
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Jan 13, 2014 17:48:41 GMT
I am intrigued by the shirt. Presumably someone would wear such a garment on an official council photograph to demonstrate... How much of a self-centred twat they are?
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Post by dazza on Jan 14, 2014 7:53:47 GMT
He did not get reselected and has in fact moved out of the borough.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 14, 2014 10:12:28 GMT
This isn't surprising. Tends to happen when one group is monolithic and people are passed over for favours
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 14, 2014 10:13:25 GMT
He did not get reselected and has in fact moved out of the borough. See....?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 10:19:44 GMT
There is a shock !! Doubt it seems many in labour there will care about this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 11:04:32 GMT
This isn't surprising. Tends to happen when one group is monolithic and people are passed over for favours It also happens where a party is monolithic & people have joined not because of ideology or belief, but for personal preferment ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 13:51:06 GMT
I understand why UKIP would take any defectors but when a person is deselected should any party take them because for me the motives will not be the correct ones ?
Maybe go indy for 6 months and let them prove themselves that they share the same core beliefs of the party.
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Post by Merseymike on Jan 14, 2014 21:30:08 GMT
This isn't surprising. Tends to happen when one group is monolithic and people are passed over for favours It also happens where a party is monolithic & people have joined not because of ideology or belief, but for personal preferment ... Oh, so true....I've lived in rock-solid areas controlled by both Labour and Tory and have come across that for myself. You also get the sort of local councillor who isn't very party political but does a very good job in working for their ward voters and perhaps they are likey to wear party affiliation lightly
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 14, 2014 23:11:00 GMT
I understand why UKIP would take any defectors but when a person is deselected should any party take them because for me the motives will not be the correct ones ? Maybe go indy for 6 months and let them prove themselves that they share the same core beliefs of the party. If they're defecting to a party that has an established presence in their area, there's a good chance that their new party will already know them well enough to know whether they are a good fit to the party's values.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 7:30:43 GMT
I understand why UKIP would take any defectors but when a person is deselected should any party take them because for me the motives will not be the correct ones ? Maybe go indy for 6 months and let them prove themselves that they share the same core beliefs of the party. If they're defecting to a party that has an established presence in their area, there's a good chance that their new party will already know them well enough to know whether they are a good fit to the party's values. But if they defect to a party that does not have an organisation on the ground but wants an easy 'in' that may not be true .... Never mind the "we are so wonderful that senior/influential/god-like councillor X has decided to join us....." formula rotted out on these occasions
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Post by woshername on Jan 15, 2014 15:27:54 GMT
My very first post not sure what i am doing but if it appears here i would like to ask a question next time sorry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 16:00:07 GMT
My very first post not sure what i am doing but if it appears here i would like to ask a question next time sorry Yep, you''re doing fine. Ask away...
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Post by woshername on Jan 15, 2014 16:02:23 GMT
My question is similar to the very first one on this thread but could any one tell me how many defections have there been to ukip since may 3rd 2013 and how many have ukip won since the 3rd of may or could someone let me know how i can obtain this information on this site for myself thank you so much Anne
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Post by BossMan on Jan 15, 2014 16:14:13 GMT
You can find UKIP's by-election gains since last May on my website here: www.englishelections.org.uk/england/lby/I don't keep a list of defections, but someone else might have that, or else it'd be a case of someone going through this thread and counting them all...
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Post by woshername on Jan 15, 2014 16:53:36 GMT
I hope you get this Thank you anne
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Post by woshername on Jan 15, 2014 16:56:44 GMT
I dont know what i am doing sorry just noticed Message me to get your party colour set and access your party's forum! but i dont have a party and i dont know how to send a message please be patient with me
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