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Post by swingometer on Apr 20, 2024 0:52:03 GMT
There is a degree of wealth in nearby parts of Lancashire, where there is high-skilled manufacturing employment. Given that large-scale domestic tourism of the kind Blackpool depended on isn't likely to come back, I would suggest that the primary solution is to develop other economic strengths, whether that be trying to integrate more into the nearby cluster, getting a university, something else or some combination thereof. The tourism will still exist but it should be seen as an added bonus, not as a sine qua non. Blackpool and Fylde College is pushing its promotion all over the place, I've noticed. Lancashires a bit hit and miss, you’ve got places like Blackburn on the one hand and Clitheroe on the other. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Apr 20, 2024 8:41:30 GMT
Initially Blackpool was going to be a plate glass University. But Lancaster won through, given the Bailrigg campus. I didn’t know that! I wonder if it did come to fruition (assuming it would have also been founded in the 60s and not 1992) would the “University of Blackpool” have become just as prestigious as Lancaster (for all intents and purposes, whilst Lancaster isn’t in the Russell Group it is usually ranked in the top 10 or 20) or would the Blackpool name have put people off? I haven’t been to Lancaster but it is a strange one hanging off the M6 and not that close to the old city itself, but it seems to have done well for itself. The thought of a coastal university is appealing, and we don’t have too many in England, less those considered as high ranking, other than Liverpool, and stretching the coast definition a bit, Newcastle and Exeter. There is also Bournemouth and Brighton but those are the post-92 era ones. Sussex is also in Brighton and one of the better non-RG ones I’m told. I believe Scarborough has/had a campus of a Yorkshire university(Leeds/Hull?). Using university locations as as an engine of economic growth in deprived coastal areas should certainly be explored more. Lots of cheap housing available for students and staff and you get a source of graduates for the local economy if you can make them stay on. Much better than a casino regeneration model, am amazed that New Labour didn’t think of it. Falmouth seems to have done quite well as a result of its university. Portsmouth and Plymouth are other coastal cities with a university. |
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Post by timmullen on Apr 20, 2024 9:00:11 GMT
I didn’t know that! I wonder if it did come to fruition (assuming it would have also been founded in the 60s and not 1992) would the “University of Blackpool” have become just as prestigious as Lancaster (for all intents and purposes, whilst Lancaster isn’t in the Russell Group it is usually ranked in the top 10 or 20) or would the Blackpool name have put people off? I haven’t been to Lancaster but it is a strange one hanging off the M6 and not that close to the old city itself, but it seems to have done well for itself. The thought of a coastal university is appealing, and we don’t have too many in England, less those considered as high ranking, other than Liverpool, and stretching the coast definition a bit, Newcastle and Exeter. There is also Bournemouth and Brighton but those are the post-92 era ones. Sussex is also in Brighton and one of the better non-RG ones I’m told. I believe Scarborough has/had a campus of a Yorkshire university(Leeds/Hull?). Falmouth seems to have done quite well as a result of its university. There are also Portsmouth and Plymouth. Whilst not a particularly touristy city, but is a seaside area, Bangor also has what I think is a pretty good university (three current and two former MPs (although one was Rob Flello so that’s maybe not such a plus)), three former AMs (before it became the Senedd), a President of the Welsh Liberals who went to the Lords, the first leader of Plaid Cymru, a former Police and Crime Commissioner, the inventor of the breathalyser, and Danny Boyle and Roger Whittaker). |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Apr 20, 2024 9:44:57 GMT
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 20, 2024 10:15:37 GMT
Falmouth seems to have done quite well as a result of its university. There are also Portsmouth and Plymouth. Whilst not a particularly touristy city, but is a seaside area, Bangor also has what I think is a pretty good university (three current and two former MPs (although one was Rob Flello so that’s maybe not such a plus)), three former AMs (before it became the Senedd), a President of the Welsh Liberals who went to the Lords, the first leader of Plaid Cymru, a former Police and Crime Commissioner, the inventor of the breathalyser, and Danny Boyle and Roger Whittaker). That pitch really is not selling the idea to me. |
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Post by timmullen on Apr 20, 2024 11:10:55 GMT
Whilst not a particularly touristy city, but is a seaside area, Bangor also has what I think is a pretty good university (three current and two former MPs (although one was Rob Flello so that’s maybe not such a plus)), three former AMs (before it became the Senedd), a President of the Welsh Liberals who went to the Lords, the first leader of Plaid Cymru, a former Police and Crime Commissioner, the inventor of the breathalyser, and Danny Boyle and Roger Whittaker). That pitch really is not selling the idea to me. I somehow suspected it wouldn’t, you’re known for not being easy to impress! There are a number of scientists amongst the alumni, we actually used to stay with the family of the man in charge of animal welfare when we holidayed on Anglesey during my teenage years (Bangor was also significant in having an A&E department at the hospital that was familiar with Brittle Bones so mum and dad weren’t likely to be accused of child abuse if I fractured), and quite a few poets and authors, but many in Welsh arts circles, although there’s a Cornish guy who set up their equivalent of the Eistedfodd. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 20, 2024 11:45:53 GMT
As this is a psephological forum, I should also note that Bangor was where the political historian Duncan Tanner was based until his untimely death in (Christ, was it that long ago?) 2010. Political Change and the Labour Party 1900–1918 is still very much the book for answers to some of the knottier questions around voting habits and political preferences in the first two decades of the twentieth century.
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Post by iang on Apr 20, 2024 14:09:27 GMT
As this is a psephological forum, I should also note that Bangor was where the political historian Duncan Tanner was based until his untimely death in (Christ, was it that long ago?) 2010. Political Change and the Labour Party 1900–1918 is still very much the book for answers to some of the knottier questions around voting habits and political preferences in the first two decades of the twentieth century. It's a brilliant book |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Apr 20, 2024 14:28:32 GMT
Using university locations as as an engine of economic growth in deprived coastal areas should certainly be explored more. Lots of cheap housing available for students and staff and you get a source of graduates for the local economy if you can make them stay on. Much better than a casino regeneration model, am amazed that New Labour didn’t think of it. Falmouth seems to have done quite well as a result of its university. Portsmouth and Plymouth are other coastal cities with a university. Things do seem to be happening in Scarborough due to the presense of Coventry University. I still have a minor regret at not going to the seaside to Teesside Poly. |
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 20, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
It seems like the people in this focus group are quite right wing. Fans of bringing back Boris Johnson, Scott Benton’s corruption comparable with Angela Rayner - really? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 20, 2024 18:34:47 GMT
If the focus group is made up of disillusioned ex-Conservative voters who are undecided, then that is likely to be a group clearly on the right of the political spectrum. Scott Benton had just under 50% of the vote; the Conservatives are well down on 2019, and a lot of the ex-Conservative voters will have decided to vote for other parties. The focus group will not be drawn from the 50% who never voted Conservative nor from the est. 25% who are ex-Conservatives now voting for other parties; it'll be from the 25% most right-wing voters in the seat from the off.
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Post by swingometer on Apr 20, 2024 18:56:20 GMT
If the focus group is made up of disillusioned ex-Conservative voters who are undecided, then that is likely to be a group clearly on the right of the political spectrum. Scott Benton had just under 50% of the vote; the Conservatives are well down on 2019, and a lot of the ex-Conservative voters will have decided to vote for other parties. The focus group will not be drawn from the 50% who never voted Conservative nor from the est. 25% who are ex-Conservatives now voting for other parties; it'll be from the 25% most right-wing voters in the seat from the off. I have a feeling the Tory vote will hold up more here than Kingswood, but that’s just my naivety |
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Post by edgbaston on Apr 20, 2024 19:04:06 GMT
If the focus group is made up of disillusioned ex-Conservative voters who are undecided, then that is likely to be a group clearly on the right of the political spectrum. Scott Benton had just under 50% of the vote; the Conservatives are well down on 2019, and a lot of the ex-Conservative voters will have decided to vote for other parties. The focus group will not be drawn from the 50% who never voted Conservative nor from the est. 25% who are ex-Conservatives now voting for other parties; it'll be from the 25% most right-wing voters in the seat from the off. I have a feeling the Tory vote will hold up more here than Kingswood, but that’s just my naivety I think this is much more Reform UK territory (deprived seaside town) than Kingswood (middle of the road suburbia), so I’d expect them to do much better and the Tories worse overall on that basis. I spoke to a couple of voters here that were undecided between Reform and Labour. |
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Post by timmullen on Apr 20, 2024 19:28:19 GMT
If the focus group is made up of disillusioned ex-Conservative voters who are undecided, then that is likely to be a group clearly on the right of the political spectrum. Scott Benton had just under 50% of the vote; the Conservatives are well down on 2019, and a lot of the ex-Conservative voters will have decided to vote for other parties. The focus group will not be drawn from the 50% who never voted Conservative nor from the est. 25% who are ex-Conservatives now voting for other parties; it'll be from the 25% most right-wing voters in the seat from the off. Luke Tryl of More In Common, who seems to have conducted the focus group, has a pretty interesting thread on X beginning here: x.com/luketryl/status/1781620809343152432?s=46&t=-bfLpLLaXY45nLW4GphmUQ |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 23, 2024 12:19:28 GMT
Hmmm, any relation?
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Post by iainbhx on Apr 23, 2024 12:35:52 GMT
Son, I believe. He has a son called Jacob who is around 27-29 now. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 23, 2024 12:38:25 GMT
With similar politics, no doubt.
It may be unfair (though its not really) but anything the former RCP claque come out with can be automatically disregarded, including the weather and time of day.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Apr 23, 2024 16:27:38 GMT
I really cannot stand Blackpool, but this representation of it as some sort of post-civilisation hell-hole is complete rubbish. It is as if he decided that the best way to get to know a place was to google "what part of Blackpool is the most disgusting" and went there. It is tacky, it is run-down in parts, but it certainly isn't as represented here. |
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