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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Nov 26, 2023 18:12:05 GMT
I get the feeling that the petition will be successful.
Could Peter Bone stand for Reform 🤔
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Post by batman on Nov 26, 2023 18:39:24 GMT
Labour candidate in 2019 for South Northamptonshire, where she is originally from (though she has been a Newham councillor in recent years) And the trite ‘parachuted London Labour Cllr’ comments have already begun, heaven forbid any young person be forced to move for work or university from their home area. it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Nov 26, 2023 19:18:22 GMT
And the trite ‘parachuted London Labour Cllr’ comments have already begun, heaven forbid any young person be forced to move for work or university from their home area. it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I agree, it is a pet hate for me. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 27, 2023 0:07:26 GMT
And the trite ‘parachuted London Labour Cllr’ comments have already begun, heaven forbid any young person be forced to move for work or university from their home area. it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I think a strong local connection is a big help in a by-election. It doesn't matter much in a general election as far as the voters go, but it does matter to local members if they are allowed a say (increasingly rare). Obviously an outsider can become rooted in the constituency in a fairly short time, and someone who happens to have grown up in an area where their party has no presence, and works in a similar place, should not be disqualified from being a candidate. The issue is often however London based Spads who have never done a day's real work being parachuted in, and local resentment of this is entirely justified. |
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Post by batman on Nov 27, 2023 6:37:35 GMT
it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I think a strong local connection is a big help in a by-election. It doesn't matter much in a general election as far as the voters go, but it does matter to local members if they are allowed a say (increasingly rare). Obviously an outsider can become rooted in the constituency in a fairly short time, and someone who happens to have grown up in an area where their party has no presence, and works in a similar place, should not be disqualified from being a candidate. The issue is often however London based Spads who have never done a day's real work being parachuted in, and local resentment of this is entirely justified. if the latter is the case, then yes it’s an issue. It’s the portrayal of someone who was born and raised in an area but went to university or got a job elsewhere as some sort of parachuted-in Johnny Foreigner that riles me. |
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Post by davidh on Nov 27, 2023 9:40:10 GMT
it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I agree, it is a pet hate for me. Quite. It's also intrinsically racist as a campaigning concept, given how it disproportionately works against ethnic minorities (though I'd assume that it's disproportionately not used against ethnic minorities, out of the personal sensitivities of those deploying it - which is itself a form of racism). It's also bad for politics and government more generally. If adopted and accepted generally, it would mean that a individual whose talents would be of great use to the country could only ever enter parliament in a handful of seats, most or all of which may be hopeless for that person's party, or blocked by incumbents effectively impossible to dislodge. Local knowledge is useful - though local background far less so, to the point of irrelevance, IMO - but should be far from the top of the list of factors. Still, voters tend to think it matters. |
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Post by davidh on Nov 27, 2023 9:47:40 GMT
it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I think a strong local connection is a big help in a by-election. It doesn't matter much in a general election as far as the voters go, but it does matter to local members if they are allowed a say (increasingly rare). Obviously an outsider can become rooted in the constituency in a fairly short time, and someone who happens to have grown up in an area where their party has no presence, and works in a similar place, should not be disqualified from being a candidate. The issue is often however London based Spads who have never done a day's real work being parachuted in, and local resentment of this is entirely justified. I'll take issue with this too, to an extent. "Being parachuted in" is wrong. Stitch-ups in selections are always a bad idea, alienating local activists and making easy targets for opponents. However, politics is maybe the only profession / job where prior experience (bar being a councillor in the constituency, perhaps), is seen as a drawback. True, being a SpAd only exposes the person to a particular aspect of government / parliament but nonetheless, knowing how the system works (or doesn't) is quite useful. The idea that aiming to govern more effectively, whether in government or in preparation for it in opposition, isn't "a day's real work" is simply untrue. Personally, I'm not keen on the gilded path from university to SpAd to MP, which relies heavily on connections and patronage and reinforces the power of those connections, to the exclusion of those outside the charmed circle - but those are the grounds on which to criticise it rather than going after individuals who happen to be fortunate enough to be a beneficiary. |
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Post by gibbon on Nov 27, 2023 10:08:37 GMT
While 'parachuted' candidates call cause resentment to local activists (of any party) they may have wider experience, knowledge, and ability than the local 'favourite son or daughter'who over the years has built up support/patronage as the Leader of a council. Quite often such local favourites never progress beyond the backbenches once elected to Parliament.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Nov 27, 2023 10:23:43 GMT
I agree, it is a pet hate for me. Quite. It's also intrinsically racist as a campaigning concept, given how it disproportionately works against ethnic minorities (though I'd assume that it's disproportionately not used against ethnic minorities, out of the personal sensitivities of those deploying it - which is itself a form of racism). It's also bad for politics and government more generally. If adopted and accepted generally, it would mean that a individual whose talents would be of great use to the country could only ever enter parliament in a handful of seats, most or all of which may be hopeless for that person's party, or blocked by incumbents effectively impossible to dislodge. Local knowledge is useful - though local background far less so, to the point of irrelevance, IMO - but should be far from the top of the list of factors. Still, voters tend to think it matters.Correction - *parties* tend to think that voters think it matters. It may make a marginal difference, but that is all. |
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Post by batman on Nov 27, 2023 10:36:48 GMT
There are exceptions, to be fair. The defeat of Andy Slaughter in the Uxbridge by-election in 1997 was mainly to do with the fact that a ) he wasn't local b ) he was seen to be parachuted in by Tony Blair. If Labour had fielded Dave Williams in the by-election it would at least have been a lot closer. Not that I hold a particular brief for Williams.
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 27, 2023 12:25:55 GMT
I think there is little doubt Williams would have won if allowed to stand, and becoming an MP (likely until 2005) might well have had a moderating effect on him as well.
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Post by gwynthegriff on Nov 27, 2023 12:36:39 GMT
it's such utter bilge, the idea that only somebody who has always lived in a particular ward or constituency can do a good job. "This is a local constituency, for local people. There's nothing for you here." I agree, it is a pet hate for me. I wrote a piece for Lib Dem Voice (before I became persona non grata on there) entitled "But Mr Gladstone, are you local enough?" Prompted by the nonsense around the Crewe #& Nantwich by-election. But all the parties do it. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 27, 2023 12:44:31 GMT
While 'parachuted' candidates call cause resentment to local activists (of any party) they may have wider experience, knowledge, and ability than the local 'favourite son or daughter'who over the years has built up support/patronage as the Leader of a council. Quite often such local favourites never progress beyond the backbenches once elected to Parliament. That is more because the leadership hates anyone with actual experience of running anything. They might know what they are talking about. Much better to appoint the ex-Spad who knows how to play the patronage game and won't rock the boat. People who genuinely have "wider experience, knowledge, and ability" would be welcome, but they are as rare as pandas in candidate selection. |
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Post by manchesterman on Nov 27, 2023 14:52:01 GMT
I get the feeling that the petition will be successful. Could Peter Bone stand for Reform 🤔 Depends how much they'd be willing to offer him. Let's face it, he's "no 30p Leenoch"  |
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 14, 2023 8:55:51 GMT
While 'parachuted' candidates call cause resentment to local activists (of any party) they may have wider experience, knowledge, and ability than the local 'favourite son or daughter'who over the years has built up support/patronage as the Leader of a council. Quite often such local favourites never progress beyond the backbenches once elected to Parliament. That is more because the leadership hates anyone with actual experience of running anything. They might know what they are talking about. Much better to appoint the ex-Spad who knows how to play the patronage game and won't rock the boat. People who genuinely have "wider experience, knowledge, and ability" would be welcome, but they are as rare as pandas in candidate selection. This is sadly true in many walks of life. |
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Post by cogload on Dec 19, 2023 20:21:31 GMT
Isn't the result of this due tonight?
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Post by CatholicLeft on Dec 19, 2023 20:22:36 GMT
Isn't the result of this due tonight? Apparently so. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Dec 19, 2023 20:27:45 GMT
10,505 signed, exceeding the threshold. Byelection on.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Dec 19, 2023 20:28:16 GMT
13.2% signed
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Post by cogload on Dec 19, 2023 20:32:31 GMT
Who will come 2nd? Reform or the Tories? ;-)
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