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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 9, 2023 23:28:13 GMT
Just a thought that the win on the drawing of lots considerably increases the chances there will be an election petition over this, which makes it more likely a court will review the RO's decision to accept a 'True Independent' description which was on the face of it unlawful.
EDIT: Two minds with but a single thought there.
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Post by gramps191919 on Nov 9, 2023 23:42:01 GMT
🔶LIB DEM HOLD
POWYS UA; Crickhowell with Cwmdu & Tretower Ward
🔶 HALL, Claire Catherine (Lib Dem), 698, 32.5%, +2.4% 🔶 MASEFIELD, Chloe (Lib Dem), 658, 30.6%, +0.6% 🔴 Lab, 92, 4.3%, +4.3% 🟤 Ind, 116, 5.4%, +5.4% 🔵 Cons, 292, 13.6%, -6.4% ⚪️ Ind,18, 0.8%, +0.8% 🔵 Cons, 275, 12.8%, -7.2%
Congratulations to Clare Hall and Chloe Masefield.
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Post by ideal4radio on Nov 9, 2023 23:50:35 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers .....
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 9, 2023 23:53:20 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers ..... There's a good reason they do the adjudication on spoiled papers before the preliminary result is shared.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 10, 2023 0:01:04 GMT
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Post by greenchristian on Nov 10, 2023 0:03:11 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers ..... With only 5 there might not have been anything that either candidate/agent could attempt claim as theirs.
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Post by johnloony on Nov 10, 2023 0:10:52 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers ..... There's a good reason they do the adjudication on spoiled papers before the preliminary result is shared. In 2005 in Croydon Central (when there were three recounts) we had the adjudication of doubtful votes coming round and round in circles. It was essentially the same few spoilt ballot papers each time, with nothing new needing to be said about each one. The changes in the numbers of votes for each candidate from each count to the next were almost entirely due to votes being discounted because they didn’t have the “official mark” (which in those days was a pattern of perforated holes), and very few from votes being found in the wrong pile or from being adjudicated after being doubtful.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 10, 2023 0:12:12 GMT
Interesting to see Powys used the 'grass skirt' method to count the double member election.
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iain
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Post by iain on Nov 10, 2023 0:18:26 GMT
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Post by iain on Nov 10, 2023 0:20:17 GMT
So:
Conservative - 33.7% Independent - 21.8% Labour - 16.2% Green - 13.5% Lib Dem - 12.6% Independent - 2.2%
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 10, 2023 0:32:13 GMT
LINCOLNSHIRE Grantham North
Paul Michael Martin (The Conservative Party Candidate) 762 Tim Harrison (Independent) 446 Jonathan Michael Cook (Labour and Co-operative Party) 380 Anne Elizabeth Gayfer (Green Party) 193 Nat Sweet (Liberal Democrats) 87 Dean Anthony William Ward (Independent) 74
1,966 votes cast; Turnout 23.74%
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 10, 2023 0:52:17 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers ..... There's a good reason they do the adjudication on spoiled papers before the preliminary result is shared. Though with good scrutineers/systems, by the time you get to that stage, you should know whether those papers may be important or not.
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 10, 2023 4:21:39 GMT
They all count tonight just heard from Powys only took 5 working days to answer Will it take 5 working days to announce the result, do you think? Can I let you know in five days ?
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 10, 2023 6:37:32 GMT
Interesting to see Powys used the 'grass skirt' method to count the double member election. Wise, especially with two indies involved. First get the 2xLD and 2xCon ballots sorted out, then the few remaining can be done on half-a-dozen grass skirts.
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 10, 2023 6:49:56 GMT
Nothing from South Kesteven?
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 10, 2023 7:06:24 GMT
Nothing from South Kesteven? There were tweets linked above that seem to have been deleted.
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Post by YL on Nov 10, 2023 7:38:20 GMT
Nothing from South Kesteven? There were tweets linked above that seem to have been deleted. Here's one which hasn't: Con 361 (33.7%) Ind Swinburn 233 (21.8%) Lab 173 (16.2%) Green 145 (13.5%) Lib Dem 135 (12.6%) Ind Ward 24 (2.2%)
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Post by Rutlander on Nov 10, 2023 8:43:30 GMT
Oh to be a fly on the wall, listening to the discussion around the 5 spoilt ballot papers ..... I note the Council's tweet doesn't describe Timewell as a "True Independent", possibly recognising they made a mistake. Also, I remember in a previous tied election settled by drawing lots (RUTLAND: Oakham South 12 July 2018), that the published result added one to the victor's total. Is there guidance on that?
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 10, 2023 8:59:31 GMT
Also, I remember in a previous tied election settled by drawing lots (RUTLAND: Oakham South 12 July 2018), that the published result added one to the victor's total. Is there guidance on that? Yes, they should have. The winner of the drawing of lots gets the RO's casting vote and wins with a majority of one.
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Post by froome on Nov 10, 2023 9:27:37 GMT
Also, I remember in a previous tied election settled by drawing lots (RUTLAND: Oakham South 12 July 2018), that the published result added one to the victor's total. Is there guidance on that? Yes, they should have. The winner of the drawing of lots gets the RO's casting vote and wins with a majority of one. That can't be correct, can it? The RO doesn't have a vote, they are ensuring the vote takes place complying to all electoral law, which will include the drawing of lots. But I can't see how that can be inferred as being a casting vote. The actual vote is still tied.
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