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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 17, 2023 21:14:43 GMT
So...after dafties wanting to defund the police, we now have dafties wanting to defund the Department of Justice. If you haven't worked out the connection, the Department of Justice is in charge of federal prosecutions. One of the people currently under federal prosecution is a Mr Donald John Trump of Florida. And he's not pleased about it. |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 17, 2023 21:16:28 GMT
So...after dafties wanting to defund the police, we now have dafties wanting to defund the Department of Justice. If you haven't worked out the connection, the Department of Justice is in charge of federal prosecutions. One of the people currently under federal prosecution is a Mr Donald John Trump of Florida. And he's not pleased about it. Well of course I had worked out the connection. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 17, 2023 21:29:28 GMT
Jordan supporters are spinning that his poor result is down to Scalise. Apparently Jordan asked Scalise to nominate him but the later refused.
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Post by stb12 on Oct 17, 2023 21:43:14 GMT
Jordan supporters are spinning that his poor result is down to Scalise. Apparently Jordan asked Scalise to nominate him but the later refused. I think under the circumstances that was asking a bit much of Scalise |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 17, 2023 21:48:38 GMT
Jordan supporters are spinning that his poor result is down to Scalise. Apparently Jordan asked Scalise to nominate him but the later refused. I think under the circumstances that was asking a bit much of Scalise Indeed, but the obvious implication is that Scalise has privately supported the rebellion. If that is the case there is simply no way Jordan can win. |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 17, 2023 22:07:35 GMT
I think under the circumstances that was asking a bit much of Scalise Indeed, but the obvious implication is that Scalise has privately supported the rebellion. If that is the case there is simply no way Jordan can win. There's no way that Jordan can win anyway. There are still enough of the Republican conference who can spot a crazy, and don't want one being Speaker. The fact that there's 200 of them who either can't or are so enmeshed in the Culture War that they don't care as long as it's not THE ENEMY. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 17, 2023 22:36:18 GMT
Indeed, but the obvious implication is that Scalise has privately supported the rebellion. If that is the case there is simply no way Jordan can win. There's no way that Jordan can win anyway. There are still enough of the Republican conference who can spot a crazy, and don't want one being Speaker. The fact that there's 200 of them who either can't or are so enmeshed in the Culture War that they don't care as long as it's not THE ENEMY. In fairness there are likely some who have just had enough of the fighting and think they’re as well letting that wing of the party actually try some responsibility rather than continually causing chaos from the background |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 17, 2023 22:41:44 GMT
Indeed, but the obvious implication is that Scalise has privately supported the rebellion. If that is the case there is simply no way Jordan can win. There's no way that Jordan can win anyway. There are still enough of the Republican conference who can spot a crazy, and don't want one being Speaker. The fact that there's 200 of them who either can't or are so enmeshed in the Culture War that they don't care as long as it's not THE ENEMY. I certainly think a Jordan win is extremely unlikely but he did seem to be winning over a lot of the holdouts over the weekend and yesterday and there was a feeling that he was quite close. Some of the anti-Jordan camp that emerged today were quite surprising. |
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 17, 2023 23:53:20 GMT
There's no way that Jordan can win anyway. There are still enough of the Republican conference who can spot a crazy, and don't want one being Speaker. The fact that there's 200 of them who either can't or are so enmeshed in the Culture War that they don't care as long as it's not THE ENEMY. I certainly think a Jordan win is extremely unlikely but he did seem to be winning over a lot of the holdouts over the weekend and yesterday and there was a feeling that he was quite close. Some of the anti-Jordan camp that emerged today were quite surprising. Indeed, quite my point. It was interesting some of the analysis regarding the utter lack of caucus engagement he and his supporters have. Jordan's a rank amateur, and it shows. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 5:09:07 GMT
It all goes back to 1989 when Newt Gingrich was elected House Minority Whip over Ed Madigan by 87 votes to 85: www.nytimes.com/1989/03/23/us/house-republicans-elect-gingrich-of-georgia-as-whip.html. I remember interviewing Peter Smith (then Republican Congressman for Vermont - he didn't vote for Gingrich) about the GOP's rightward lurch from the Reagan era onwards. This mire is the apotheosis of all of that. If McCarthy took 15 rounds of voting to win the Speakership, what hope does Jordna have? He has footsoldiers with Sean Hannity and Donald Trump supporting him. Jordan is more conservative than 91% of the current House, so he certainly has his backers among the GOP base. Many Republicans who opposed him will probably lose their seats in, for example, New York and Oregon in 2024. Speaker Jordan would be manna from heaven for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, not least because Jordan isn't the fundraising titan McCarthy is. Voting resumes at 11 am EST (3 pm our time). |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 18, 2023 10:37:20 GMT
I would imagine the DCCC is salivating over the ability to go out campaigning against all the GOP incumbents who were not previously tied to the extreme but have now voted for Jordan as Speaker on party unity grounds.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 18, 2023 15:01:33 GMT
The House is about to convene for round 2. Jordan's allies are spinning that he will get fewer today although that might just be expectations management.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 18, 2023 15:58:35 GMT
GOP at full strength today. 1 Democrat did not answer the quorum call.
Tom Cole is nominating Jim Jordan in a much more level handed manner that Stefanik did yesterday.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 18, 2023 16:16:38 GMT
Bacon once again votes McCarthy
Vern Buchanon voted for Jordan yesterday but votes for Byron Donalds today
Buck once again votes for Emmer
Charvez-DeRemer again votes for McCarthy
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 18, 2023 16:22:53 GMT
D’Esposito again votes for Zeldin
Díaz-Balart again votes for Scalise
Ellzey again votes for Garcia
Drew Ferguson voted for Jordan yesterday but today votes for Scalise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 16:23:50 GMT
No way Jordan wins this then.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 18, 2023 16:27:12 GMT
Garbarino again votes for Zeldin
Giménez again votes for McCarthy
Gonzales again votes for Scalise
Granger again votes for Scalise
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 18, 2023 16:29:20 GMT
Bacon once again votes McCarthy Vern Buchanon voted for Jordan yesterday but votes for Byron Donalds today Buck once again votes for Emmer Charvez-DeRemer again votes for McCarthy They're just toying with him aren't they? |
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